Dodgers, Cubs Discussing Ted Lilly Deal

12:29am: The Cubs are sitting on multiple proposals for Lilly, tweets Rosenthal.  The Dodgers are in the mix, but the two sides are still apart on money and players.  He adds that the Dodgers find themselves in a similar position with the Pirates' Paul Maholm.

11:49pm: It's unlikely that the two sides get a deal done tonight, but talks are moving in a "positive" direction, a source tells Jayson Stark of ESPN (via Twitter).

10:53pm: The Dodgers and Cubs are closing in on a deal, according to ESPN.com's Buster Olney (via Twitter).

10:37pm: The Cubs are discussing two possible scenarios with the Dodgers, according to ESPNLosAngeles.com's Tony Jackson. One would send Lilly to LA and the other would send Lilly to LA along with teammate Ryan Theriot. FOX Sports reported early this morning that the Dodgers could acquire Theriot. ESPN.com's Jayson Stark confirms that the Yankees are in on Lilly and notes that they also inquired on Theriot (Twitter link).

10:21pm: The Cubs continue discussing Lilly with the Yankees and Dodgers, according to Ed Price of AOL FanHouse (Twitter link).

9:49pm: The only thing preventing the Cubs from sending Lilly to the Dodgers is money, according to ESPN.com's Jayson Stark (via Twitter). The clubs can't agree on how much money the Cubs would take on, but it could be enough to prevent a deal from happening.

8:59pm: The Yankees are still in on Lilly, according to Gordon Wittenmyer of the Chicago Sun-Times (Twitter link). The Padres had discussions about Lilly, but nothing is imminent, according to Dan Hayes of the North County Times (Twitter link).

8:24pm: The Dodgers remain active on Lilly and seem intent on acquiring him or Pirates lefty Paul Maholm, according to Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports (Twitter link). Click here for the latest on Maholm.

3:18pm: The Reds have a "remote" chance of obtaining Lilly, according to Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports (Twitter links). The clubs haven't spoken in recent days, but the Reds are not on Lilly's no-trade list.

2:10pm: The Tigers still aren't out on Lilly, reports ESPN's Jayson Stark.  He adds that a mystery team is in the mix.  Hard to pin down a reasonable match, with the Padres not interested.

Rosenthal tweets that the Dodgers are more inclined to get Lilly without Theriot.

2:05pm: The Dodgers are talking to the Cubs about a multiplayer deal that would include Lilly and a position player, tweets Dylan Hernandez of the L.A. Times.  Hernandez does not believe Theriot would be the position player.  By the way, Tom Krasovic of AOL FanHouse tweets that the Padres are not a fit for Lilly.

11:58am: The Dodgers are waiting for Lilly's cost to come down, tweets Yahoo's Tim Brown.  He notes that they're also monitoring Paul Maholm and Jason Frasor.  The Pirates are willing to move a starting pitcher for the right price, GM Neal Huntington told Dejan Kovacevic of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette.

7:10am: The Dodgers and Cubs are discussing a trade that could send Ted Lilly and Ryan Theriot to Los Angeles, report Ken Rosenthal and Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports.  They say it's not known whether a deal is close.  The Cubs would need to kick in cash – Lilly has $4.3MM remaining and Theriot has $933K.

Theriot received a $2.6MM salary for 2010 after losing an arbitration case to the Cubs in February.  He's under team control through 2012; the FOX writers see him taking over at second base for the Dodgers.  It doesn't seem to be the strongest need for them, with Blake DeWitt currently outperforming Theriot and Jamey Carroll and Ronnie Belliard also on the roster.

There aren't a ton of great matches for Lilly at this point, as action with the Tigers, Twins, and Mets has cooled and the Phillies are out of the mix.  I wonder if we'll hear anything about the Cardinals and Padres looking at the lefty.


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142 Comments on "Dodgers, Cubs Discussing Ted Lilly Deal"


5 years 1 month ago

Wow, that’s strong.

I’m gonna miss that Ted Lilly, I tell ya.

5 years 1 month ago

Who would the Dodgers trade??

5 years 1 month ago

My guess would be James McDonald, Travis Schlitting, Corey Wade etc. The Cubs would probably wan’t near major league ready pitching. Plus some A ball bats.

I don’t see them trading Dee Gordon for those kinds of players and I don’t see the Cubs wanting Xavier Paul with their OF already a logjam.

5 years 1 month ago

Disclaimer: I’m probably wrong, but I think that those type of players would be logical.

Gumby65
5 years 1 month ago

If Ely was dealt to the Northside, his dad may just fall short of disowning him :)

thegrayrace
5 years 1 month ago

I’d hope they’d trade from a list consisting of guys like McDonald, Elbert, Ely, Troncoso, Wade, Link, Leach, Schlichting, Hu, DeJesus Jr., Hoffmann, Paul… and nothing more valuable than those guys.

5 years 1 month ago

I’ve been hoping from the get go that the Cubs would do some sort of “Casey Blake” trade where they’ll kick in the cash for an improved prospect. We’ll see if it actually happens…one thing about this bothers me, though…
Doesn’t this just remind you of the ole Pirates trades Hendry has made? Getting Aramis Ramirez & Kenny Lofton or (to a much lesser extent) John Grabow & Tom Gorzellany. Doesn’t feel as good to be on the bad end of these things — hopefully we get something good on this.

5 years 1 month ago

I would love to see the Cubs get Jerry Sands (AA 1st baseman) in this deal!!

5 years 1 month ago

Can anyone give info on some of the decent minor leaguers in the Dodgers farm system? Pardon my ignorance of it…I’ve heard they have good pitching, not much beyond that.

Holy crap, Jerry Sands looks like a beast with how he has played thus far.

5 years 1 month ago

Yes, Jerry Sands would be a major coup for the Cubs, if they could make that work! Dee Gordon is another really good position player (Tom “Flash” Gordon’s son) but pretty much untouchable.

dbreer23
5 years 1 month ago

Sands is an older player, playing over his head at a level that he should dominate. Think Jake Fox. I’d target one of their arms like Withrow, Miller, or Martin. Gordon will be a tough get from LA, so perhaps go after a young position player like OF J. Garcia.

5 years 1 month ago

“Sands is an older player, playing over his head at a level that he should dominate. ”

Ah … Jerry Sands is 22 years old. He hit 19 homeruns in 2009, and has 29 homeruns this year. This kid is the real deal!

dbreer23
5 years 1 month ago

That’s why I brought up Fox – good minor league stats don’t always translate into a good major leaguer. Compare their stats relative to how far along they were in the minors, and consider how Fox has done in the majors. Not saying Sands can’t buck that trend, but color me skeptical.

Table
5 years 1 month ago

You really don’t know what you are talking about. Sands started the year repeating Low A ball, but completely dominated. People were skeptical because at his age that success at Low A was less meaningful. He stayed at low A up until playing in and winning the Midwest league allstar game MVP. Then he was promoted skipping high A and going all the way to AA, a real challenge. Thing is his production has not suffered, in some ways it has in fact improved. A 22 year old dominating AA is not a bad thing, far from it. At the rate he is going Sands could see time in AAA next year if not the Majors and definitely seems like he would be ready to hit the majors at 24 in 2012. Lilly is not worth even close to a prospect like him, but I am just letting you know that your Jake Fox comp is way WAY off.

Table
5 years 1 month ago

Fox never showed the patience, speed, or hitting ability Sands has shown and definitely not at 22 in AA. Sands has more power as well.

vtadave
5 years 1 month ago

“good minor league stats don’t always translate into a good major leaguer.”

Genius. And often they do translate.

I’m going to say that a 1.019 OPS in AA as a 22 year-old is actually pretty good.

dbreer23
5 years 1 month ago

That’s why I brought up Fox – good minor league stats don’t always translate into a good major leaguer. Compare their stats relative to how far along they were in the minors, and consider how Fox has done in the majors. Not saying Sands can’t buck that trend, but color me skeptical.

Old22
5 years 1 month ago

@dbreer23: WTF Man? I think it must be a case of mistaken identity. Either that or you really are 13 years old.

dbreer23
5 years 1 month ago

Nope, 36 y.o. thanks for asking.

Old22
5 years 1 month ago

Nice try. He’s young. How old are you calling 22 old? I better go shop for a cane.

Table
5 years 1 month ago

F U

dbreer23
5 years 1 month ago

???

cubnation
5 years 1 month ago

I will miss these guys dearly if they are moved, however I realize it is for the best and have been pushing for these types of moves for the last couple months. Both ted and theriot have worked their tails off for this club and deserve nothing short of a honorable send off by us cubs fans. In a way it is sad because there are so many bad apples on this team and we are sending off two (of the few) guys that are hard working, competitive and simply shut their mouths and play. I guess it is fitting for the Jim Hendry era. Hopefully we can get something of value back, especially if we are covering a portion of Lilly’s contract.

5 years 1 month ago

I want to trade with Ned Coletti.

BleedingCubbieBlue
5 years 1 month ago

With all of the middle infield injuries the Phillies have had and it appears that they are gearing up for a run, I’d offer Lilly and Theriot for Jason Werth! Since both Lilly and Werth are free agents after this year, maybe it would work?!?

dbreer23
5 years 1 month ago

I think that the Victorino injury essentially pulls Werth off of the market.

jb226
5 years 1 month ago

Why on Earth would you want a rental player if you’re the Cubs? They’re not going to win this year, and it’s going to cost a small fortune to bring him back. The Cubs’ outfield is expensive enough, not to mention overcrowded. If anything, we want to be LOSING an outfielder, not gaining one.

The only way I would ever consider this if I were Hendry is if I had a deal in place to flip Werth for some good prospects.

Soxman17
5 years 1 month ago

I think you may be a bit delirious in your estimation of Ryan Theriot’s abilities. He is Augie Ojeda.

5 years 1 month ago

No wonder you’re a Sox fan and I think you are more than delirious if you think Augie Ojeda holds a match to Theroit. The most hits Augie Ojeda has had in a season was 65. Theriot passed that about 50 games ago. If you’re going to undervalue Theriot, at least make it comparable, using Ojeda just exposes your southside bias and lack of baseball knowledge.

Soxman17
5 years 1 month ago

I think you may be a bit delirious in your estimation of Ryan Theriot’s abilities. He is Augie Ojeda.

mrsjohnmiltonrocks
5 years 1 month ago

Can any Dodger fan tell me what the deal is with Blake DeWitt? He seems like a nice player from afar, but the Dodgers seem to want to put up a roadblock to keep him out.

Is my impression wrong?

5 years 1 month ago

He is not the strongest defensive 2B in the world. Other than that I don’t get it either. Theriot is a good addition to any club, he can play both MI positions.

dodgers1994
5 years 1 month ago

lets just say if you looked up the word serviceable in the dictionary his face would be their

mrsjohnmiltonrocks
5 years 1 month ago

Thanks. “Serviceable” isn’t really all that bad for a player making minimum.

They need some rotation help more than they need infield help.

dodgers1994
5 years 1 month ago

i never said it was im just saying they might want someone better. idk the dodgers just dont care for him he just hits 270 with like 5 hrs and 40 rbis in a season and he plays AGAIN serviceable defense if you want to win hes not the best second baseman around.

mrsjohnmiltonrocks
5 years 1 month ago

Thanks. “Serviceable” isn’t really all that bad for a player making minimum.

They need some rotation help more than they need infield help.

Gibbys_Limp
5 years 1 month ago

DeWitt is a better fielder at 3B, where he naturally plays. In order to keep him in our system, and give him playing time (after they signed Casey Blake), they moved DeWitt to 2B. To answer your other question, re: “roadblock” – don’t you know? That’s the Dodgers way of doing things…block your younger, better, cost controlled players & bring in crusty, over-paid, washed-up veterans, because that’s what Ned Colletti & Joe Torre get a hard-on for.

mrsjohnmiltonrocks
5 years 1 month ago

I did not know he was a position switch. That explains a lot.

Gibbys_Limp
5 years 1 month ago

DeWitt is a better fielder at 3B, where he naturally plays. In order to keep him in our system, and give him playing time (after they signed Casey Blake), they moved DeWitt to 2B. To answer your other question, re: “roadblock” – don’t you know? That’s the Dodgers way of doing things…block your younger, better, cost controlled players & bring in crusty, over-paid, washed-up veterans, because that’s what Ned Colletti & Joe Torre get a hard-on for.

Jorden
5 years 1 month ago

Only way we’d pick up Theriot too is if we’re flipping DeWitt elsewhere…high doubtful.

lakersdodgersyankees4life
5 years 1 month ago

DeWitt is an elite defensive 3B, but his bat plays better for 2B. He got screwed around last year while trying to learn 2B in the minors, so he has been forced to learn on the go in the majors… again… this year

bigpelflikesike123
5 years 1 month ago

I’m really disappointed in the mets… they are basically saying “pack it in guys we have no shot at anything.” which just is not not true. Oswalt makes the phillies good but they still have a major problem with bullpen and two really bad pitchers at #4 and #5. If omar doesn’t go out there and get ted lilly or jeremy guthrie or jake westbrook i will be pretty upset.

5 years 1 month ago

problem is that the cards don’t have much in the farm anymore. also you would need a major return from them because in case they offer arbitration to lilly and he declines, your division rival just got two high draft picks.

dfw_cubber
5 years 1 month ago

please—PLEASE, get rid of Theriot. Just can’t take him anymore out there, killing rallies. He’s the epitome of ‘average’, and you just can’t live with average at 2B and SS.

dfw_cubber
5 years 1 month ago

please—PLEASE, get rid of Theriot. Just can’t take him anymore out there, killing rallies. He’s the epitome of ‘average’, and you just can’t live with average at 2B and SS.

thegrayrace
5 years 1 month ago

The Dodgers need to call it a season and sell. Furcal, Kuroda and Broxton (free agent after 2011) could all bring back very nice returns. Retool for 2012. With this ownership, I think it is safe to assume that no major acquisitions will be made this off-season to keep the team competitive in 2011.

Unfortunately, McCourt will never sell. He will continue to pretend this team has a shot at contending this year, add non-impact players and insist they’re great additions, and when the Dodgers fail to make the postseason we’ll hear how he tried to acquire Oswalt, Lee, etc. but that the Astros and Mariners were asking for too much…

Guest
5 years 1 month ago

There is still two months left of season yet. We have enough time to catch up. If we were playing in the AL then yes we should sell but since we not that much out of the wild card there no point in thinking the season over. heck we still have a ton of games left against the Padres so we still got time.

Also Manny & Kuroda are free agents after this season so that means we got over 20mil+ to spend.

thegrayrace
5 years 1 month ago

Assuming Frank McCourt will spend it is setting yourself up for disappointment.

vtadave
5 years 1 month ago

Not necessarily. The Dodgers will be on the hook for $8.3 million to Manny (deferred money) next year and they have several guys eligible for raises/arbitration – Loney, Billingsley, Kuo, Martin…

thegrayrace
5 years 1 month ago

The Dodgers need to call it a season and sell. Furcal, Kuroda and Broxton (free agent after 2011) could all bring back very nice returns. Retool for 2012. With this ownership, I think it is safe to assume that no major acquisitions will be made this off-season to keep the team competitive in 2011.

Unfortunately, McCourt will never sell. He will continue to pretend this team has a shot at contending this year, add non-impact players and insist they’re great additions, and when the Dodgers fail to make the postseason we’ll hear how he tried to acquire Oswalt, Lee, etc. but that the Astros and Mariners were asking for too much…

zuzucub
5 years 1 month ago

God, I hate to let Lilly go. I think he is underrated. If he ends up in LA, he can join another of my favorite players…..Reed. Gotta love their attitudes and work ethic.

ivdown
5 years 1 month ago

If Sands gets traded (which he SHOULDN’T), it will be another idiotic trade for Ned. Personally I’m ready to stick with the team we’ve got and maybe trade off Blake, Manny, possibly Kuroda (though I’d be sad to see him go), and wait for next year.

dodgers1994
5 years 1 month ago

how can you trade off manny ram hes making 10 mil plus and not a single team wants him to ruin the chemesty hes injured half the time and what could we get for him we are better of offering him arbitration at the end of the year and getting two prospects. as for kuroda we need him hes out 3rd pitcher and if we get ted lilly we will have a solid 5 man rotation when anyone ever says the dodgers need a 5th pitcher they are wrong we need a 3-4 pitcher and push say pidilla back to the 5th spot a good trade for us would to trade casey blake and a couple of prospects over to the cubs for ted lilly we could have jamie play second becuz hes played a great second this yr as back up and hes also hitting 280 plus dewitt could go back to third base and do better.

kershaw
billz
lilly
kuroda
padilla
solid

weeeeeeeeeeeee neeeeeeeeeeeeeed ttttoooooooooooo scccoooooorrrrrrrreeeeee rruuuunnnnnsssss nooooowwwwwwwwww

5 years 1 month ago

“weeeeeeeeeeeee neeeeeeeeeeeeeed ttttoooooooooooo scccoooooorrrrrrrreeeeee rruuuunnnnnsssss nooooowwwwwwwwww ”

Oh, I see how Ted Lilly helps us do that.

ivdown
5 years 1 month ago

If Sands gets traded (which he SHOULDN’T), it will be another idiotic trade for Ned. Personally I’m ready to stick with the team we’ve got and maybe trade off Blake, Manny, possibly Kuroda (though I’d be sad to see him go), and wait for next year.

bleedDODGERblue
5 years 1 month ago

I don’t get the need for Theriot here.. could this mean something is going to happen with DeWitt? Or maybe he’s getting moved to 3rd to replace Blake’s horrible offense this year? Though I think Blake’s power makes up for his average when it comes to DeWitt’s lack of power this year. And I can’t imagine Theriot of the bench would be much better than Beliard off the bench so its no upgrade there. And if Ely gets included in a trade to the Cubbies that’d be a huge slap in the face (grew up in Chicago, huge Sox fan. Dad wouldn’t even go to his start against the Cubs in Chicago). So does DeWitt get included in this deal? Moved to third? Is Raffi going somewhere? Blake? Pretty confused by this but wouldn’t mind seeing Lilly in a Dodger uni at the right price.

Gumby65
5 years 1 month ago

Talks of replacing Casey Blake from anywhere in the organization is ludicrous. Yeah his production is down a little but he’s still clutch and stabilizing at third–gloves been good. Don’t even understand why I am taking the time to have to type this (Summer Friday, phones die down at work) but, crazy man, crazy.

bleedDODGERblue
5 years 1 month ago

Not saying it’d be a good move just trying to make sense of the Theriot throw in.

Table
5 years 1 month ago

Blake could be replaced by Dewitt, who is not much worse with the bat, especially going forward, but is far superior defensively. Russ Mitchell in AAA is likely his equal with the bat going forward not sure about his D but it’s not like Blake has been good this year in that respect. Blake is becoming a bench player as he hits his 37, 38 age seasons.

BTP
5 years 1 month ago

Not sure what either team gets from the Theriot throw-in. DeWitt is at least as good as Theriot, so confused as to why LA would want him (unless fancy baseball types are seeing something beyond the #s).

Are the Cubs sick of him somehow? Feeling like they get the same production from Fontenot/Baker? Seems unlikely. And unless he’s some sort of Jeckyl/Hyde he is, for all appearances, a great “team” guy.

I like Theriot. Don’t love him. Maybe the Cubs just want him off the books so they can go after a bigger name at 2B?

5 years 1 month ago

Dewitt is not as good as Theriot.

Jorden
5 years 1 month ago

Younger, Cheaper, better hair style. – 2 of those are top 2 qualities for Vegas dancers.

5 years 1 month ago

the dodgers are out for this year no matter what’s you trade for.

Jorden
5 years 1 month ago

3.5 gb for wild card? 7 gb from weak division while we hold best division record in baseball? 10 games left against the leading Padres? Please…this is an easier come back than 2008 was against the DBACKS.

5 years 1 month ago

we talk after 3 games vs. S.F. and 4 games vs. S.D. o.k.?

Jorden
5 years 1 month ago

this is true.