Prince Fielder Rumors: Wednesday

The Prince Fielder rumors have been surprisingly quiet, but here's the latest…

  • The Rangers are not confident in their ability to acquire Fielder, according to Yahoo's Jeff Passan (via Twitter). They don't want to give up too many prospects, but the Brewers are asking for a mammoth return. Passan notes on Twitter that first base is still a priority for the Rangers, who maintain interest in Jorge Cantu.
  • The Rangers have joined the Fielder fray along with the Angels and White Sox, tweets SI's Jon Heyman.  Fielder would already cost a lot in terms of prospects, so I can't imagine what it'd take to convince the Brewers to pick up most of his remaining $3.88MM this year too.  This is also the first we've heard in a while about the Halos being interested in Fielder. 


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5 years 1 month ago

Angels kinda need Prince Fielder, but they can’t really deplete their prospect pool.

Both the Angels and Rangers got their “ace” (Lee and Haren), and gave up pieces to do it. I think Fielder would flourish more in Texas than Anaheim, but LAA has the greater need for his bat. But with the whole Kendry Morales situat4ion, how would they make it all fit?

My gut says he stays in Milwaukee.

5 years 1 month ago

He could DH. Matsui will be gone so there is room for him

bjsguess
5 years 1 month ago

So – you want to give up the very best of our prospects PLUS pay the guy $15m next year (about what he’ll earn in arbitration) for a DH?

An elite DH can be had for less than $10m in the off-season. No way do I want Fielder as my DH in 2011. Much rather spend that money on Crawford/Werth/Dunn, etc.

SixtoLezcano
5 years 1 month ago

You’re going to find someone who can hit like Prince Fielder for <$10 million? Good luck with that.

melonis_rex
5 years 1 month ago

Umm, Adam Dunn is a better pure hitter than the Prince. He’s also a free agent in the offseason.

There’s your answer.

Sam_Lee
5 years 1 month ago

No, he’s not a better hitter than Fielder and he wants a multi-year deal. I’m sure he can go back to the Nats if he wants a single year deal. If he did sign for 1 it would be for more than 10 million. Next?

bjsguess
5 years 1 month ago

Dunn may not be better but he’s awfully close.

Dunn, over the past 4 years, has posted wOBA between 383 and 399. Fielder, in that same time period has posted wOBA’s between 370 and 420. Fielder has played better but the gap is not terribly significant.

Dunn is coming off a contract where his annual cost was $10m. We all know what he WANTS … that’s a far cry from what he will get. I bet he ends up signing for $10-12m /year over 2 years (with maybe an option for year 3).

And there are plenty of guys who can provide solid offense that won’t cost $15m. No, they won’t be as good as Fielder, but with the savings in money you can easily bundle them with another player or two and provide the team with much better depth. Thome is having a huge season … a wOBA of nearly 400. And he makes $1.5m. There are a lot of guys in the $5-7m range that will be available and can produce big offensive numbers.

And of course, those guys won’t cost the farm system in order to get them.

BK
5 years 1 month ago

the Angels CANNOT trade for Fielder as they have no where to stick him. Next year Morales is back at 1b and although Matsui wiill be gone, but there outfield will be (Abreau, Juan Rivera and a 34 yr old Torii Hunter) That DH position is going to be key on a rotational basis and that hasnt even taken into account Mike Napoli (Although I bet he gets traded if Fielder comes over). It simply doesnt make sense and Heyman is likely not fully accurate on what he is hearing.

Tom R
5 years 1 month ago

A lot of people forget that Kendry came up as an outfielder. Conceivably, Kendry could move to left field next year, Rivera to right, and Abreu to DH. Or, even better, trade Rivera to some place else within the next few days and go after Carl Crawford in the off season.

ogueira
5 years 1 month ago

Or even better than that, put Kendry at third, Prince at first, and Abreu at DH. Sign Crawford, put Hunter in center, and play Crawford and Rivera in the other corner outfield spots.

cookmeister
5 years 1 month ago

Morales playing 3rd? oh dear…

EdinsonPickle
5 years 1 month ago

Yeah he probably won’t be going to the Angels or Rangers. The Angels would end up using him as a DH after this year and the price of a load of great prospects and the huge bucks he is going to be making is too high.

I think he’s going to the White Sox though. Williams is aggressive when it comes to trades, and I think he is perfectly willing to give up a lot of guys for Fielder who would fit well into that Chicago line up. I think come the 31st that’s where Fielder will be.

ThePaulCrew
5 years 1 month ago

The brewers front office is too dumb to trade Fielder, his contract will expire as a Brewer. The Brewers still think they can make a run next year with only 1 good starting pitcher.

Sam_Lee
5 years 1 month ago

Sadly, Brewers fans are clamoring for Melvin to trade for a bottom of the rotation starter. Then they’ll have a dozen or so of those guys. How smart is that?

ThePaulCrew
5 years 1 month ago

I agree.. most Brewers fans are just desperate to see some life from the front office. IMO they should make three trades to get 3 consistent #2-3 type pitchers. The centerpieces of the trades should be weeks, hart, and fielder plus whatever relievers or starters (not including Gallardo, Loe, Axford, Braddock) they have to throw in to get it done.

angelsfan67
5 years 1 month ago

If the Angels do get Fielder (which I doubt) I would imagine Kendry would go back to right field next year and Abreu would DH.

5 years 1 month ago

Kendry is not gonna move to the outfield. He is too good defensively at first and too awful defensively in the outfield to even consider that.

bjsguess
5 years 1 month ago

And Abreu at DH? The guy is posting a sub 800 OPS. We should be trading him not giving him 600PA’s at DH.

crashcameron
5 years 1 month ago

trade Napoli for BJ Upton
sign Papi for 2011

abreu: yet another overpay by Angels

melonis_rex
5 years 1 month ago

Kendry’s a better defensive 1B than Fielder. By a lot. You don’t DH Morales to put Fielder at 1B.

But an OF with 2 of Morales/Rivera/Abreu in it with Hunter in CF is laughable defensively.

bjsguess
5 years 1 month ago

Exactly right.

The story that isn’t talked about much is just how awful the Angels outfield defense is. Poor Weaver has been killed by the cement shoes roaming in our outfield.

Look – we are out of it. Pineiro going down was just the nail in the coffin. Trade Abreu NOW. Bring up Bourjos and see what he can do. You save $4m this year and $9m next. You also bring a great glove and speed to the lineup. Abreu only had value when we hit really well. He’s not doing that. The Angels are sucking wind with him in the lineup.

Next, you see what Juan Rivera and Howie Kendrick would fetch. If you can get a couple B level prospects you move them. Izturis can man 2nd and we can muddle our way through the rest of the year with Willits and whomever else can be called up from the farm. In the off-season you go hard for Werth/Crawford.

Finally, you decide if Napoli will catch 60% of the games. If so, you trade Mathis. If not, you trade Napoli. Does us no good to have Napoli on the roster when he gets his AB’s limited by platooning with Mathis. Napoli should bring back an A quality prospect. Conger will be ready next year to partner with who stays (Mathis or Napoli).

5 years 1 month ago

the angels are the pefect fit for fielder

5 years 1 month ago

Would be the only perfect fit for Fielder except for those size 54 pants he wears.

5 years 1 month ago

we have two gargantuan hats for him. :)

OCSportsGeek
5 years 1 month ago

Ironically, I’m known for having a huge head (8 1/4 for you pro hat wearers…yeah, it sucks.) I live in Orange, near the stadium, and when I took my niece, who was about 10 at the time, to a game last season, she saw the hat sizes on “the helmets” (its like 756 1/2, or something) and she said “Look Uncle Scotty, they have hats in your size!”….

LightUptheHalo
5 years 1 month ago

I said it all along, get Fielder and then next year and that way you can use him at 1B/DH and Morales can play Right field/1B. Move Bobby to DH full time and fill in at RF, use Rivera as trade bait for bullpen help and go after Crawford. This is the best situation all around for the Halos.

Sage
5 years 1 month ago

The Rangers might be able to convince the Brewers to pay the rest of Prince’s contract this year, but they’d have to include another prospect in that case. An offer would most likely have to include at least one of the Rangers young starters (Derek Holland?), another younger pitcher (Omar Poveda?), someone like Tommy Mendonca, and Engel Beltre. I would have said Tommy Hunter instead of Derek Holland, but it has to be Holland if we’re paying Fielder’s salary.

Besides, at least the Rangers have a long-term place to put Fielder. He can play 1B this season and next (as I’m sure the Rangers would want Vlad back at DH). He’ll probably continue playing 1B until Mitch Moreland is ready, if I had to guess, at which point he’d probably move to DH. If the Angels got him, there would be too much switching around of players’ positions for it to work fully.

Flharfh
5 years 1 month ago

I doubt the Rangers could afford Fielder prospect wise, especially if they want the Brewers to kick in money.
The Angels wouldn’t need to kick in money, but the Brewers want at least one sure-thing SP with lots of team control left, do they have that after trading for Haren?

Yankeeboy11
5 years 1 month ago

How in the world is it that the Rangers are interested in everyone and Idk how can they get anyone…aren’t they like tight on Money?

5 years 1 month ago

They’re beaten ya at your own game!

melonis_rex
5 years 1 month ago

It’s called giving up extra prospects so the other team eats salary.

I’m enjoying that, even if that other team was the Mariners.

halofan
5 years 1 month ago

I would love to see the Angels get Fielder. I can see one ot two of the following Angel players involved in this trade: Rivera, Napoli, Mathis, Kendrick, Izturis, Wood, or Bell. The lineup would be stacked especially when Morales returns next year. The Angels are also looking at getting Crawford to play LF next year would be sick.
1-Crawford-LF
2-Abreu-RF
3-Hunter-CF
4-Fielder-DH/1B
5-Morales-1B/DH
6-Napoli-C
7-Callaspo-3B
8-Kendrick-2B
9-Aybar-SS

5 years 1 month ago

if the angels get Fielder, they won’t be able to afford crawford, too.
however this looks good to me.
1-Aybar-SS
2-Abreu-LF/DH
3-Hunter-CF/RF
4-Fielder-DH/1B
5-Morales-1B/DH/LF
6-Napoli-C
7-Callaspo-3B
8-Kendrick-2B
9-Bourjos-CF/RF

ryankrol
5 years 1 month ago

These writers are always talking about prospects. What about Major League ready talent?

They gave up an underachieving Joe Saunders and a couple of “decent” prospects for Dan Haren.

Angels have plenty Major League talent ready to be traded along with their prospects.

Moving Kendry Morales to the OF would be suicide. He can’t run.

Mike Scioscia thrived on having versatility in the DH role. Perhaps a revolving door of Morales, Fielder, and Abreu at DH would be wise?

5 years 1 month ago

If you get Fielder, he has to play everyday..unless you mean Fielder/Morales platoon at 1B? Regardless, Fielder has to play everyday if you’re paying him as much as he’s going to get paid. I don’t think there’s much room for Abreu on the team if they got Fielder.

5 years 1 month ago

Unless, of course, the halos are comfortable with Abreu (who will be 37 in March) playing RF all year again…?

ryankrol
5 years 1 month ago

Since the Angels have Abreu locked for another season with an option, they would have to keep him RF, and have either Prince or Morales playing 1B while the other DH’s, or vice-versa, or switch off, or have that revolving door to rest Abreu and play Morales in RF once every few days. Prince and/or Morales DHing is probably more realistic… if that deal is made.

Brewcrew00
5 years 1 month ago

I think Texas fits what the Brewers need most good starting pitching especially if you have to include money. Not familiar with Angels prospects but do know Texas farm system is one of the best and deepest in pitching.

ryankrol
5 years 1 month ago

“And Abreu at DH? The guy is posting a sub 800 OPS. We should be trading him not giving him 600PA’s at DH.”

Abreu is having the year he is having because he doesn’t have Figgy and Aybar in scoring position every time he steps up to the plate.

Bobby thrived on that last season, as he did in NY (Jeter, Damon), and in Philly (Rollins).

Since Bobby Abreu doesn’t hit much more that 20 HR a season, he is now the kind of run producer who depends more on table setters getting into scoring position to drive in 100.

Angels don’t have that spark in front of Abreu this season.

Yankees420
5 years 1 month ago

First off, don’t use RBI’s to try and make your case, it makes you look uninformed. Secondly, Abreu’s decline in numbers isn’t because of there not being people in front of him, most likely it’s because he’s aging. He’s seen a sharp decline in BA and OBP this season and his .339 wOBA is the worst it’s ever been (since becoming a full-time player). He’s not productive enough to be a DH and his RF defense is atrocious, all in all, Bobby just isn’t a very valuable asset anymore.

ryankrol
5 years 1 month ago

I could care less what using RBI’s make me look like since I am very informed and played this game and have been following the game religiously for over 20 years. What is one of the goals when acquiring a #3 or #4 hitter? RBI’s! How else do you score runs? You get on base, and then you drive them in. I know all about the factors that go into driving in 100, including having a good leadoff hitter and a good table setter, which the Angels don’t have in 2010. So my evaluation of Bobby Abreu, with age still a factor, was pretty close to the mark. I can guarantee if the Angels still had Figgins, or even acquired Scott Podsednik, there would be a lot more runs scored at the top of that lineup.

Yankees420
5 years 1 month ago

I’m not arguing whether or not Abreu would have more RBI’s if the Angels still had Figgins (who is having a god awful year, worth 0 WAR). Instead I’m debating your original assertion of “Abreu is having the year he is having because he doesn’t have Figgy and Aybar in scoring position every time he steps up to the plate.” Instead I believe that Abreu is having the (poor) year that he is having because of decline due to age. And no, the goal when acquiring a #3 or #4 hitter is not RBI’s, the goal is to get a guy with power and a good OBP. RBI’s are almost completely useless because of the fact that they are so dependent on the other players in the lineup, a guy could be OPSing over 1.000 and have less RBI’s than someone with a sub-.800 OPS, but that doesn’t mean the second guy is a better hitter, it just means he’s had more opportunities to drive in runs. And if you really think that using RBI’s makes you informed about the statistical side of baseball, then you are mistaken, I pointed out above why they are an inferior stat and I’m guessing that you like them because of the fact that you’ve been following baseball for over 20 years, and I have to ask you (and this isn’t sarcastic whatsoever), do you think win-loss record is a good way to judge a pitcher?

bjsguess
5 years 1 month ago

It doesn’t matter where he bats in the lineup. His numbers that are independent of situation are downright awful. Last year was not a great year but at least his OBP was high and he “seemed” to have a positive impact on the players around him. But if anyone looked deeper into his numbers they would have seen a decline that is in line with what you would expect at his age.

I was pissed when they resigned him. $18m guaranteed along with a reasonably easy option that will vest for year 3. It was a bad signing then and it looks even worse now.

Abreu is a great guy and I’m sure he would be a solid fit for many teams. Unfortunately, this Angels team needs to improve their outfield defense. Couple that with the fact that they can’t afford to waste the DH spot on just a so/so hitter and Abreu suddenly doesn’t have a place on this team.

ogueira
5 years 1 month ago

My first reaction was – how do the Angels land Fielder without giving up Trout? But giving it some thought, if the Angels offered the Brewers Napoli, Trumbo, Bourjos, and a pitching prospect, the Brewers would have to strongly consider that offer. That’s three ML-ready players – if anything, it might be too steep for the Angels considering the salary they’ll have to pay to Fielder.

Sage
5 years 1 month ago

You can keep Napoli. The Brewers have enough catchers already.

Deal would start with Trevor Reckling and Fabio Martinez, if I had to guess. As opposed to Trumbo, I’d rather have Dillon Baird, as he’s a younger 1B prospect, and he’s a lefty.

ogueira
5 years 1 month ago

Yeah, Reckling and Martinez are most likely 2 names that are being bounced around. I’m surprised you’d prefer to have Baird, though. Trumbo is only 2 years older, and is already having success (.541 slugging) at AAA. Even with Baird at high-A, Trumbo’s K/BB ratio is better than Baird’s – and Trumbo’s isn’t particularly great to begin with.

Sage
5 years 1 month ago

Baird is my choice, mostly because he has a few more years to improve, whereas Trumbo is getting to the point where he’s a little old for a prospect (he’s getting into Mat Gamel territory, if I’m comparing him to a Brewers prospect). Trumbo has a K/BB ratio of 2.68, whereas Baird has a K/BB ratio of 1.93. Baird’s is actually better than Trumbo’s, because Baird is striking out less times for every walk than Trumbo.

My key factors, though, are that Baird is younger and lefty. The Brewers need a lefty replacement at 1B, because our lineup is full of righties.

ogueira
5 years 1 month ago

Unless I’m doing the math wrong…Baird has 52 K’s to 15 walks at High-A this year, for a K/BB ratio of 3.46. Trumbo has 86 K’s to 34 walks at AAA, for a K/BB ratio of 2.53. So by those numbers, Trumbo is striking out less for every walk.

But if your key factors are age and lefty, that’s cool – I’d rather the Angels hang on to Trumbo if given the choice.

Sage
5 years 1 month ago

Ah, that’s where we’re not matching up on our numbers. You’re using this season’s numbers, and I’m going by career numbers.

Sage
5 years 1 month ago

Ah, that’s where we’re not matching up on our numbers. You’re using this season’s numbers, and I’m going by career numbers.

daveineg
5 years 1 month ago

The Angels do not have the major league ready young arms to interest the Brewers.

The Rangers certainly do. Not only that they have a young 1B they could include in a deal. Ranger’s financial situation should be resolved by next year. I’m sure if the Rangers padded their package to the Brewers, the Brewers could pick up Fielder’s salary for the remainder of this season.

halofan
5 years 1 month ago

As I said in the other thread the Angels should look to trade Juan Rivera for Podsednik straight up. This will give the Angels some speed at the top of the order and better defense in LF. If the Angels think they will not get Crawford in the offseason then this might be a option.

ogueira
5 years 1 month ago

But is trading for Podsednik that much of an improvement over just calling up Bourjos?

ogueira
5 years 1 month ago

But is trading for Podsednik that much of an improvement over just calling up Bourjos?

5 years 1 month ago

Texas has some elite pitching prospects but I doubt they want to deplete their farm system much further with a trade of this magnitude. It would cost one of Martin Perez (ouch), Tanner Scheppers, or Derek Holland; and 2-3 more top level prospects. Might even cost more than one of the aforementioned. There are cheaper 1B options out there this year or even in the off season.

Sage
5 years 1 month ago

True, but there aren’t many 1B options out there this year or in the off season that are anything close to what Prince will provide for the Rangers. Plus, there are only two teams that have enough pitching depth to be able to trade for Prince. The Rays, and the aforementioned Rangers. So you have to give up Holland; you’ve still got Perez, Scheppers, Feliz, Hunter, etc. You might then have to give up another, younger, lower-level pitcher, but you still have all of those other guys. You’d have to give up Mitch Moreland, but it wouldn’t matter since you’ve got Fielder. So, it would take a prospect haul to get him, but you wouldn’t be depleting your farm system, simply because of how much talent there is in the Rangers system.

5 years 1 month ago

If we can get Prince for Scheppers, Moreland, Michael Kirkmand and 1-2 A level arms, then I’d do it. This also included the Brewers picking up 80% of Prince’s salary. But I don’t think Melvin (still GM?) would settle for Scheppers, I think he’d want Perez or Holland, which the Rangers would have an issue with.

tmoney352
5 years 1 month ago

I’d give up Holland before I’d give up Scheppers. I know Scheppers hasn’t even thrown in the bigs, but I like his makeup better and they are about the same age. I think he’s a little more polished, and they are pretty close to one another in age. I know, never give up a good hard-throwing lefty (Danks anybody?), but in this case I would.

I think a Holland, Beltre, Davis trade gets it done personally. Maybe Moreland instead of Davis, but Holland and Beltre are blue-chip guys. You may have to throw some extra guys as fillers like in the Lee deal, but if the Rangers really want to have bar-none the best lineup in the majors, then get this deal done.

Sage
5 years 1 month ago

Moreland instead of Davis, please. Also, throw in someone like Omar Poveda or Robbie Ross.

tmoney352
5 years 1 month ago

I’d give up Holland before I’d give up Scheppers. I know Scheppers hasn’t even thrown in the bigs, but I like his makeup better and they are about the same age. I think he’s a little more polished, and they are pretty close to one another in age. I know, never give up a good hard-throwing lefty (Danks anybody?), but in this case I would.

I think a Holland, Beltre, Davis trade gets it done personally. Maybe Moreland instead of Davis, but Holland and Beltre are blue-chip guys. You may have to throw some extra guys as fillers like in the Lee deal, but if the Rangers really want to have bar-none the best lineup in the majors, then get this deal done.

5 years 1 month ago

If we can get Prince for Scheppers, Moreland, Michael Kirkmand and 1-2 A level arms, then I’d do it. This also included the Brewers picking up 80% of Prince’s salary. But I don’t think Melvin (still GM?) would settle for Scheppers, I think he’d want Perez or Holland, which the Rangers would have an issue with.

ryankrol
5 years 1 month ago

Prince is also from Southern California. And that usually ties into the Angels’ choice of players.

Salmon, Edmonds, Snow, Anderson, Glaus were all from Southern California.

Dan Haren is from there. So is Kevin Jepsen, who I think used to actually work at the Big A as a kid, lol.

The list goes on…

But the fact that Prince is from the Southland is probably a HUGE selling point and gives the Halos quite an advantage.

invader3k
5 years 1 month ago

Why? It’s not like Prince has a No Trade Clause or something.

invader3k
5 years 1 month ago

Why? It’s not like Prince has a No Trade Clause or something.

invader3k
5 years 1 month ago

Just sounds like more baseless speculation to me. Either the Angels or Rangers would be a great fit for Prince. However, I don’t think the Angels have the prospects to get a deal done, and the financial ramifications for the Rangers are probably too great.

invader3k
5 years 1 month ago

Just sounds like more baseless speculation to me. Either the Angels or Rangers would be a great fit for Prince. However, I don’t think the Angels have the prospects to get a deal done, and the financial ramifications for the Rangers are probably too great.

Lidocaine
5 years 1 month ago

just include Kendry in the trade for Fielder and solve the problem. Can you trade guys on the DL?