Odds & Ends: Papelbon, Yankees, Pujols, Webb

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EdinsonPickle
4 years 11 months ago

Papelbon definitely doesn’t deserve a raise after his disappointing campaign. Whether the Sox will give him one not is up for debate.

Too bad to hear about Webb, I hope he can come back and be at least a decent pitcher next year and for the years after, but the odds are certainly against him.

Sleepykarl
4 years 11 months ago

The only way that Boston doesn’t give him a raise is if he is non-tendered. It is almost impossible to not get some kind of raise through arbitration.

EdinsonPickle
4 years 11 months ago

Yeah, I know if they tender him a contract he will be getting big bucks, but after this season and with Bard around, I’d say that there is a chance he is non-tendered.

4 years 11 months ago

Webb really needs to pitch in order to get teams to buy into him. After an offseason where Erik Bedard, Ben Sheets, and Chien-Min Wang signed incentive-laden deals and still provided next to nothing, Webb will not find a very inviting market.

EdinsonPickle
4 years 11 months ago

That’s certainly true. Yeah Sheets was the only one who even pitched an inning, and even still he wasn’t effective and he went down with another injury.

Given his track record though I think he’ll find a decent deal considering his injury, but maybe playing a little winter ball could help his value. I’m not sure if he would or could, but it’s a thought.

swheatlex
4 years 11 months ago

What kind of a contract do you think he’ll get? I’m thinking 1 year for 5 million base with up to another 5 million for 162 innings.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 11 months ago

Sounds good to me. I say the Royals sign him.

redsandyanksfan
4 years 11 months ago

I say the Reds sign him

vtadave
4 years 11 months ago

…because the Reds are hurting for rotation candidates?

4 years 11 months ago

Because the Reds lack a true #1 and he has potential to fill that void for a reasonable price

redsandyanksfan
4 years 11 months ago

Okay the Reds doesnt havent true number one which what Webb is when he’s healthy. He’s said many many times that he wants to play close to home and as a matte of fact Cinnci is the closest to his home, He’ll be playing with a great defense and his former pitching coach.Reds have money coming off the books and if they where going hard after Haren and Lee which there not going to get why not Webb onthe cheap?

4 years 11 months ago

That’s probably what he’ll get.

4 years 11 months ago

theres not reason for the redsox to give papelbon raise, he is absoultley horrible against the yankees and rays! i dont feel cofortable with him coming in with a 5 run lead let alone a 3 run lead! bard is the future

vtadave
4 years 11 months ago

Uh Brian, do you know what his ERA against the Rays is this year? Zero.

4 years 11 months ago

it would be awesome if houston signed albert pujols… at least for me anyways :)

Ferrariman
4 years 11 months ago

I would do Hanley straight up for pujols in a heartbeat as the article mentioned. Then they add in gaby “clothesline” Sanchez+prospects? Drool…

Dave_Gershman
4 years 11 months ago

Of course you would say that!

I wonder what Pujols is thinking right now after the way things have gone this season. I mean, would he have said that if things were going well?

myname_989
4 years 11 months ago

I don’t think any of those teams have the talent that St. Louis would demand in return, and it boggles my mind as to why Albert Pujols would want to play with any of those teams. The Marlins and Dodgers aren’t going to pay him, the Astros won’t compete for a couple of years… I could sort of see him playing with the Angels, but like I said, they don’t have the vast amount of prospects he’d require. Doesn’t make sense to me.

cookmeister
4 years 11 months ago

dont necessarily need prospects. Morales + Aybar + prospect? not really sure its kind of hard to imagine what the cards would actually want

MasterDave
4 years 11 months ago

Right now, assuming nothing but getting rid of Pujols they need 2-3 starters, 2-3 relievers, a 2B and SS and an acceptable replacement 1B. Probably one of those relievers needs to be a lockdown closer, but the starters don’t have to be amazing, just solid #3-5 options. I’d say at least 2 players in any deal would have to be immediate starting potential and the rest long-term prospects.

eta: Not suggesting a 7+ player deal, just saying those are the team needs ATM, I’d suspect Pujols would require the top 2-3 prospects in any system at least though.

myname_989
4 years 11 months ago

I was having the same problem. I find it hard to imagine that teams are going to completely dismantle their rosters for Pujols, despite him being, well, Pujols. That’s what doesn’t make sense to me. If you read the article that started this all, Capozzi suggests that Hanley Ramirez, Gaby Sanchez and two very good prospects would be required to get the deal done.

So the Marlins are dealing one of the best shortstops in the game (a position where it’s really, really hard to find someone of Ramirez’s skill set), a first baseman who had a breakout year, and two very good prospects, for a mega star in Albert Pujols. I’m not buying. That’s another reason I find it hard to see the Angels getting a deal done. They don’t have that premium player like Hanley Ramirez. If I were the Cardinals, no such deal would even begin until the Angels put Jered Weaver on the table.

MasterDave
4 years 11 months ago

Injecting a little reverse racism into the conversation, the common thread of all of those cities is a high level of Spanish speakers that already are fans of their local baseball teams. He wouldn’t want to go to Detroit or Minnesota because basically all their fans are crackers and he’s already in crackertown in St. Louis so why risk going anywhere that isn’t a step up culturally from where he’s at? And yeah yeah, everyone can claim “but we’ve got tons of them mexicans sitting at the home depot” when they want, but lets face it those are pretty much 4 of the top destinations for people who aren’t interested in learning English. I’m surprised San Diego and San Francisco aren’t in the list honestly.

I hope that some deal goes down. I hope the Cardinals let LaRussa go off somewhere else, get rid of Carpenter and Pujols and take that 50 million/year and spend it on Wainright, 2 decent pitchers and an actual offense that doesn’t suck, instead of chucking it all at two players that aren’t getting younger. Signing Pujols to a long-term 30m/year deal is nothing short of franchise suicide for the Cardinals and I really hope the majority of the Cardinals fans out there see that. Management will take SO much heat for not signing Pujols, but won’t they take MORE heat and lose more money by having 4-5 years of consecutive Pujols Bitching About Not Winning seasons after they’re forced to get scrap heap pitchers and AAAA stopgaps in half the infield?

johnsilver
4 years 11 months ago

Not exactly trying to look back here, but the Red Birds committed suicide with that ill advised Holliday signing, not trying to keep the best player in the game bar none in Pujols.

4 years 11 months ago

I’m guessing it’s the Latino populations of the cities. Miami, Houston, L.A. That’s the only link between the four teams that I see.

BTW, as an Astros fan, I agree with Alberto that it would be awesome if Houston acquired Pujols(and signed him). Very unlikely though.

4 years 11 months ago

whoever said that ALBERT would approve a trade is full of bullcrap. ALBERT is a CARDINAL for LIFE.

InTheKZone
4 years 11 months ago

Although I am a Cards fan, I am no longer of the mind set that he will be back after his contract expires. If he does with an A-Rod type contract (which he deserves), this team will go no where.

2-3 excellent position players + a bunch of scrubs = issues

4 years 11 months ago

“ALBERT is a CARDINAL for LIFE”…. or until he doesn’t get the contract he wants, whichever comes first.

CitizenSnips
4 years 11 months ago

Pujols to the Mets for Perez, Castillo, Sean Green’s arm, and a crusty jock strap Gary Matthews Junior left in the clubhouse.

4 years 11 months ago

But the Cardinals have to take on the rest of Bobby Bonilla’s salary.
-wtk

RedSox2219
4 years 11 months ago

Papelbon for Pujols…

The_Silver_Stacker
4 years 11 months ago

Burnett for Halladay

Dave_Gershman
4 years 11 months ago

Sal Fasano for Corky Miller.

Ethanator99
4 years 11 months ago

Corky Miller for Corey Patterson

Dave_Gershman
4 years 11 months ago

Corey Patterson for Bernard Gilkey

4 years 11 months ago

Bernard Gilkey for A.J. Burnett and Francisco Cervelli

Dave_Gershman
4 years 11 months ago

A.J. Burnett and Crevelli for…for…for…for…umm, nothing?

4 years 11 months ago

Nothing+50 Million Dollars, the Rays, Rangers, and Royals Farm System for Pujols, Aaron Rodgers, Sidney Crosby, and Famous musician Mr. Conway Twitty
You can release A.J. and Cervelli

4 years 11 months ago

.J. Burnett and Crevelli for Pujols

Dave_Gershman
4 years 11 months ago

Pujols for Felipe Lopez

4 years 11 months ago

Felipe Lopez for a bag of nickles

Dave_Gershman
4 years 11 months ago

A bag of nickles for 200 pennies.

4 years 11 months ago

200 pennies for 2$ ohhhhhhhhhh

Dave_Gershman
4 years 11 months ago

2 dollas for 5 dollars…wait.

4 years 11 months ago

No, no, i’ll take it. Worth more than Lopez anyway

Dave_Gershman
4 years 11 months ago

Watch him be Girardi’s utility man next season!

4 years 11 months ago

Oh god, no. Please. I’d rather have Ramiro Peña at that role

LifeLongYankeeFan
4 years 11 months ago

Burnett for Halladay

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I wouldn’t mind that at all but I also agree that the Yankees need to sign Cliff Lee. Hoopefully Pettitte does retire with Posada because a rotation of CC, Lee and Pettitte is pretty darn good. Hughes will only get better and AJ don’t even get me started. Trade him and just suck it up and eat most of his salary. Then have Nova be your 5th starter or maybe they could take a low risk high reward on Brandon Webb. Just a thought. I would like Carl Crawford but if Gardner can keep doing what he’s doing this year or maybe even improve a little I’ll be fine.

Sniderlover
4 years 11 months ago

Nope, you’re stuck with AJ. Have fun… for another 3 years.

Ferrariman
4 years 11 months ago

I hope the wheel falls off the bandwagon your riding.

4 years 11 months ago

I don’t think you’re a bandwagon fan for wanting A.J. to leave. Everyone wants A.J. to leave.

4 years 11 months ago

Nick The Stick

25+ HR
80+ RBI
.360+ OBP
.280+ BA
and solid defense
Curtis Granderson
20+ HR
20+ SB
70+ RBI
.280+ BA
and sterling defense
Brett Gardner
.280+ BA
.385+ OBP
40+ SB
75+ BB
and world-class defense

These are stats projected for each if them In a full, healthy season, along with any body work outs, or batting mechanics improvements. I don’t think the Yankees need CC or Werth.

vtadave
4 years 11 months ago

That’s funny. A “full, healthy season” from Nick Johnson?

moonraker45
4 years 11 months ago

nick swisher?

roomwithamoose
4 years 11 months ago

If he said Nick the Sick then yeah it would be Nick Johnson, but yeah he means Swisher haha

4 years 11 months ago

Dude. Nick Swisher is Nick the Stick, Johnson Is Nick the injured player who warms the bench for a season. Johnson doesent even play the outfield either, IMO.

4 years 11 months ago

i dont see pujols doing a lebron sorry but i lost respect after what he did to the cavs.i would love seeing st louis one of the better cities for baseball expand there payroll they can be so good with a tweak or 2.to bad for you guys its not your team nor your not a general manager you just watch lee i would understand trying to get but there is no need for crawford or werth dunn ect for nyy i know most of you nyy fans the non biased ones would say that gardner earned his stay.crawford to me fits with a team like detroit more and more unless they plan to use raburn at lf it makes the most sense and they will have money to spend the red sox angels also can look at both werth and crawford.one last thing i say boston really needs to get rid of papelbon cuz he is pretty average at best not really an elite closer anymore low 4.00 era isnt elite the future of al east closers in a few years is gonna be different with paps gone soriano gone rivera retired gregg gone though now it wont matter come 2012 or 2013 it will

stl_cards16
4 years 11 months ago

That made my head hurt.

tank1976
4 years 11 months ago

If the Cards traded Albert the GM would need to go into the witness protection program…even they may not take him.
All joking aside… does anyone really think Albert is going anywhere? IMHO….no.

InTheKZone
4 years 11 months ago

I personally wouldn’t mind a trade IF it led to this team to winning the way that we know they are capable of AS WELL AS filling some of the holes this team has (2B,3B,SS,RF,RP,CP)

stl_cards16
4 years 11 months ago

I really think it’s time to look into it. The Cardinals need to make this public that Albert is/was open to a trade. Maybe that would ease some of the thrashing the front office would take if a trade were to happen.

nictonjr
4 years 11 months ago

Based on the teams he said he’d be willing to be traded to he’s not open to be traded. Houston?? Florida and their $45 mil payroll?? Divorce Court LAD?? The Angels are the only team of the group that colud afford him and they already have Kendry Morales…

4 years 11 months ago

I believe that even with the players on the 4 teams Albert says will not have the players to match Pujols ability and the gathering of fans every year. There are fans just to see Albert Pujols to take swings, in batting practice. If there fans so early, it is suicide for them to trade Albert. It is not only the players they get might not be as good, but all the revenue they will lose too.

stl_cards16
4 years 11 months ago

Nah, if St. Louis is putting a good product on the field the fans will come. The “average” fans will lash out at first, the true fans that understand all parts of the game, will see that it could be for the best. I am not saying it would or wouldn’t, I really don’t know. What I do know, is that we can’t afford to let him walk away after next year for nothing. The front office has to figure out this offseason if they can get him signed to an extension or not. If not, then you have to trade him. You can’t let a guy like Albert walk away and only net you 2 extra draft picks.

4 years 11 months ago

As an Astros fan as much as we love the rivalry with St.L, I agree the Cards fans are a pretty sensible bunch and classy too. If you know the man will not resign then get something for him leaving. NYY don’t need him unless you DH him, Boston has to be in on him to actually play the field. Houston has the Carlos Lee contract keeping us down, along with a still pretty weak farm. I also, agree the Marlins are too thrifty to go get him, and LA has issues. The Angels? Maybe. If Nolan Ryan wanted him imagine Pujols and Hamilton back to back!

lancem00
4 years 10 months ago

That’s would be great unlikely having p0ujols and hamilton back top back.

4 years 11 months ago

This. The focus should be adding Lee. The only ways Yankees sign Crawford/Werth are
-Pettite retires, Yanks trade Gardner for a young pitcher
-Yanks sell Gardner high

Also, how about…

Gardner, Romine, Nunez, Joba, Brackman for Z.Grienke?

CC Sabathia
C. Lee
Z.Grienkie
P. Hughes
A.J Burnett

Yanks fans can dream right?

4 years 11 months ago

It ought to be real interesting who Lee signs with considering the Rangers influx of cash from the recently signed $3 billion tv rights deal.

Ferrariman
4 years 11 months ago

Anything huh? Verlander would look pretty good ad the #4 starter on the cardinals with Cabrera at first :)

myname_989
4 years 11 months ago

Your greed disgusts me.

4 years 11 months ago

Why does anyone want Greinke that bad, he had one great year, and everything else has been nothing incredible. I would never give up that much for Greinke.

The_Silver_Stacker
4 years 11 months ago

Grienkie would have an anxiety attack if he stepped on the mound pitching for the yankees.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 11 months ago

That is way too much for Greinke. I might even just do something like Montero and Betances or Adams.

4 years 11 months ago

As a Yankee fan, your greed disgusts ME!

Hell no do I want Greinkie in my rotation! Especially for young, good arms like Brackman, and good young hitters in Romine, Nunez, and BG!

What are you nuts?

That NY media would be the death of Zach and his social anxiety disorder!

You’re a horrible Yankee fan, excuse me while I look disgusted!

Vmmercan
4 years 11 months ago

Uhhh, how about no on Greinke?

A dude with mental issues pitching in the midwest for all of that nonsense is BS. Why don’t you throw Montero in there for good measure?

Gardner high? He’s 26, why would this be selling “high” he’s likely to have an even better year next year and he has no health issues to speak of.

Yankees will back up the bus for Lee, and probably plug Sabathia, Burnett and Hughes into the rotation, the picks will cancel out and they will either get a veteran innings eater or give Nova a shot.

No need to trade the farm on a guy coming off an off year who has basically publicly stated he hates the spotlight.

Slopeboy
4 years 11 months ago

That’s not a dream,it’s a hallucination

Sniderlover
4 years 11 months ago

He is easily their #2, perhaps #1.

NL is pretty weak.

4 years 11 months ago

Dude, Verlander is monster, he’d easily be the #1 on most pitching staffs

Ferrariman
4 years 11 months ago

Carp is unfortunately the #1. Tony likes to keep his bull dog mentality and veteran leadership at the top of the rotation. Wainwright probably should be the #1 but as long as Tony is manager, he will be 1A. Verlander is definitely not as good as wainwright, not this year, not last year, and probably not next year. I don’t even know how you can say he might be better. It’s really not that close and he numbers back me up on this(speaking of Koop aid….). Me putting Garcia over JV is just me being fecetious.

Sniderlover
4 years 11 months ago

Pretty much.

I cannot envision Grienke pitching as a Yankee… ever. He’ll remain in small markets.

Sleepykarl
4 years 11 months ago

I would give up Adams so much faster than Betances.

4 years 11 months ago

How’s about they are NEVER traded? Man Span, judging by the Yanks track record, your trade offer is really making me nervous. I don’t want Grienke in the rotation, I don’t know why people are all of the sudden drooling on him. He’s been bad this year, and anything that’s a big market will end up being the death of Grienke.

Ferrariman
4 years 11 months ago

Do people even see what wainwright isndoin this year…?! 2.42. Era/230+innings/200+K’s/ 1.05whip/ 3.1 fip/ etc . Actually, those numbers are remarkably similar to Roy halladay and he was pretty decent in the aL east, no? I don’t care what division he is pitching in, that is definitely #1 on just about every staff except Seattle and philly.

Sniderlover
4 years 11 months ago

I said perhaps. Wainwright is having a great season but Verlander can be just as good as him.

And pitching in AL compared to NL makes a difference.

Ferrariman
4 years 11 months ago

“And pitching in the AL compared to the NL makes a difference”goodness, why is it that some things i get filtered half way. i specifically sited Roy Halladay having a remarkably similar year to Wainwright this year. Halladay was also very successful in the AL East if memory serves me right. Pitchers don’t just go from having 2.63eras and 2.42 eras to having massive turn arounds from switching divisions/leagues. I also explained why i said Verlander would be the #4(actually #3) starter on the cardinals a few posts down. please read fully what i post next time so i don’t have to explain these minuscule details which i have previously mentioned again.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 11 months ago

We’ll see, truth is, no one really knows about the big market. Maybe what greinke needs is to be motivated to pitch well, plus, he will be kept until at least next July. How come I never see you at any Yankees games Henry?

4 years 11 months ago

Well I still don’t want Grienkie. His value is very low, and won’t have alot to offer, it would he stupid to give up anyone for him. And I think you don’t know what I look like, lol. The last Yankees game I went to was game 2 of Tampa Bay at the Yankees last week

Dave_Gershman
4 years 11 months ago

I was there game 4. When Bald Vinny is doing his scream at the begining of the game, just yell SPAN. And if Denard looks back, say, not you!

moonraker45
4 years 11 months ago

you guys are arguing about ridiculous things you know that right. #1 verlander isn’t going to the cards. #2 realistically behind being an ace it makes no difference if you’re a 5th starter or 2nd starter. People use the 1-5 to define a pitchers eventual ceiling, not a literal starting position. Roy Oswalt going to the phillies doesn’t make him a 3 starter, it makes him an ace who pitches behind THE ace.

EdinsonPickle
4 years 11 months ago

Oh snap.

4 years 11 months ago

Hahahahaha. Lol, Let’s see if I can rake enough money to go over there for the playoffs, even though I think Minnesota would play Tampa in the ALDS. Or maybe we will see them during the ALCS, who knows. Would be funny if Denard actually did look back.

NorCalDodgersFan
4 years 11 months ago

3 aces, just like the Phillies rotation. What’s greedy about that?

myname_989
4 years 11 months ago

Perhaps the fact that just about every Yankees’ fan around these parts wants to trade one of the best young outfielders in the game, trade four really nice prospects, shell out 2 massive, possible 100MM dollar+ contracts and acquire one of the best pitchers in the game. Maybe it’s just me, but I see that as greedy.

InTheKZone
4 years 11 months ago

Most teams yes. A few teams such as St. Louis, no.

4 years 11 months ago

He’s better than Carpenter and Garcia. He’s as good as AW or even better than him at times.

4 years 11 months ago

Mediocre=made a little bit of a comeback season with Trenton. If that’s what you mean…

myname_989
4 years 11 months ago

Andrew Brackman had a pretty good season this year, especially at AA ( 2.90ERA, 3.32FIP, 7.81K/9%). His walk rate is somewhat inflated, but control issues at his age are worked out through mechanics. If you guys don’t like him, I’ll take him off your hands. LOL

myname_989
4 years 11 months ago

Oops. Didn’t realize he’s 25. I’ll still take him though. Hahahaha

4 years 11 months ago

Those control issues will be solved eventually anyway.