Poll: Should The Angels Trade Trumbo Or Morales?

Albert Pujols is a great problem to have. The Angels created a serious logjam by signing the greatest hitter of the generation last month, as they now have about five players — Mark Trumbo, Kendrys Morales, Vernon Wells, Torii Hunter, Bobby Abreu — competing for the two corner outfield spots and DH. That doesn't include Mike Trout, another outfielder and arguably the best prospect in baseball.

The Angels have indicated a willingness to keep Abreu because his left-handed bat helps balance out a righty heavy lineup, plus Wells and Hunter are unlikely to be traded given their salaries. Trumbo and Morales are first basemen like Pujols, and figure to be among the first to go if a trade is made.

Trumbo, 26 next week and with five years of team control left, finished second in the AL Rookie of the Year voting in 2011. That was due to his gaudy home run (29) and RBI (87) totals though, not his batting average (.254) or OBP (.291). Power is becoming harder to find these days, and Trumbo certainly has plenty of it. We know the Angels are looking for bullpen help, and if yesterday's Anthony Rizzo trade is any indication, the Angels could get a young, cost controlled power arm for their bullpen by dealing their incumbent first baseman. I'm just speculating, but the Indians, Pirates, Brewers, and Rays make sense as trade partners.

Morales, on the other hand, is 28 with just two more years of team control left. His value is way down because he hasn't played in a year and a half due to leg and ankle injuries, though he's recently been cleared "ramp up" baseball activities during his rehab according to Mike DiGiovanna of The Los Angeles Times. Prior to the injury, he'd hit .302/.353/.548 with 45 homers in 203 games from 2009-2010. The Halos would probably be selling low on Morales by trading him now, but they stand to save just about $3MM by moving him according to our projections. Again, those same four teams make sense as trade partners.

The Angels have indicated that Trumbo will work out at third base during Spring Training to see if he can get some at-bats there, but they might not have a better trade chip at their disposal (assuming Trout is off the table). It's worth noting that they just signed Jorge Cantu to a minor league deal to serve as depth at both corner infield spots, so they have some protection there.


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167 Comments on "Poll: Should The Angels Trade Trumbo Or Morales?"


joeybw
3 years 7 months ago

Send Trumbo right to the Rays and save this off season.

Lunchbox45
3 years 7 months ago

 seems like a rays type of player.

joeybw
3 years 7 months ago

I know his OBP is low, I know we want a lefty 1B and I know he will be costly prospect wise but I also know he has power and he needs to be hitting behind Longoria.

3 years 7 months ago

I like Trumbo on the Rays. The power and the cost-control is a good fit.

Lunchbox45
3 years 7 months ago

the lack of defensive flexibility and obp is not

Friedman never buys high on a player

Guest
3 years 7 months ago

Enough with the Friedman is a genius talk. He wouldn’t be buying high on Trumbo. Sometimes you just need to fill a position and considering their financial constraints, this is a sweet deal for both. The Rays don’t have many solid bullpen arms, so I propose Trumbo for Wade Davis straight up. If each team needs to add a complimentary piece (lower level prospect each) to complete the deal, fine. The Angels could then turn around and flip a package Morales and Wade to the Indians or Pirates for something more useful. 

Devon Henry
3 years 7 months ago

Trumbo for Wade Davis I think I just threw up in my mouth a little bit. I hope not.

slider32
3 years 7 months ago

A little lucky with Matt Moore being the 245th pick in the 8th round in 2007, you make a few of those picks and you look like a genius. Oh, and they got Price as the first pick that year.

Lunchbox45
3 years 7 months ago

lol k .

diesel2410
3 years 7 months ago

Trumbo can play mostly DH and can play OF as well. I’d like to resign Kotchman as our full time 1B. Trumbo can also play there to give Kotch a break

sallen22
3 years 7 months ago

The Rays can have Trumbo if they’re willing to part ways with Jake McGee and send Alex Torres back to the Angels. 

diehardmets
3 years 7 months ago

You have got to be kidding me. Trumbo has a sub-300 OBP. That’s TERRIBLE. Unless he’s hitting 50 HR a year with that number (and he’s not), there is no way he’s worth McGee OR Torres. 

3 years 7 months ago

No, Scotty is not kidding, just unwilling to part with Trumbo if a team doesn’t overpay for him. And I agree.

Cheguiii
3 years 7 months ago

You have to keep in mind that trumbo was a rookie and his OBP will only get better…

sallen22
3 years 7 months ago

If the Rays want to infuse 30+ HR’s and a .260 BA into their lineup for the next 5 years at a low price, it’s going to cost them.  THe Angels are certainly winners in that trade but make no mistake, there’s no reason for the Angels to deal Mark Trumbo when they’ll have room for him somewhere unless another team is willing to overpay in good prospects/players that fill the future needs of the Angels.

diesel2410
3 years 7 months ago

I don’t think we’re parting with McGee. But I have no problems sending Torres back. Even though Wade Davis will be the most likely candidate to be shipped

Hodor
3 years 7 months ago

How about we send you JP Howell and Reid Brignac for Trumbo.  You get a left handed reliever with Howell and I no longer have to keep a bottle of Pepto on standby when he comes into the game.

sallen22
3 years 7 months ago

Nah, Angels are already set on lefty relievers and have 3 or 4 SS better than Brignac already.  

CitizenSnips
3 years 7 months ago

Trade Trumbo and that atrocious OBP

3 years 7 months ago

Oh boo hoo, he had a bad statistical category in his first major league season, TIME TO SHIP THE SORRY SAP OUT OF TOWN.

I’m sorry, you don’t trade guys that hit 30 HR’s on a whim. He’s under team control for 5 more seasons at a very affordable price currently.

I’d rather trade you and your atrocious logic.

Lunchbox45
3 years 7 months ago

he’s never really shown the ability to take a walk and get on base consistently.. why should anyone expect that to change all of a sudden?

given his defensive short comings,his obp is a serious hurdle.

 your logic is more likely to be DFA’d

vtadave
3 years 7 months ago

I’d be careful there, as while it may not change “all of a sudden” in the big leagues, Trumbo did have a 10% BB% in Triple-A in 2010. Sure, that doesn’t mean he’ll be able to duplicate that number in the big leagues next year, but it’s been demonstrated that batting eye is a skill that CAN be learned.

Lunchbox45
3 years 7 months ago

1 outlier year.. in the pcl, where no teams put good pitching prospects and where  AAAA pitchers nimble because fly balls leave the yard.

the rest of his bb% are terrible, especially when coupled with his k%.. 

he’s posted sub .800 OPS in 4 out of his 6 minor league seasons.. that just doesn’t cut it from a mlb 1B

if he can play average 3B defense, then maybe he’ll become an everyday player

vtadave
3 years 7 months ago

..and he had a 9% rate in 2006. Point is, it’s possible he could learn enough discipline to be a .270/.340/.520 type guy. Just so-so at best for 1B, but yeah if he can play third, that certainly would help his long-term outlook.

MaineSox
3 years 7 months ago

Even with a 10% rate he would have to have an at least reasonable batting average to have a decent OBP.

3 years 7 months ago

If the Angels were relying on him to anchor their offense then yes, I’d be inclined to agree with you, fortunately thus is not the case, saving me the displeasure of agreeing with yet another person who doesn’t think things through…

I will NEVER expect his OBP to be in the .370-.400 range, but .330-.340 would be fine. In his last 2 minor league seasons he averaged an OBP of .350.

He’s more than capable, he needs to make some minor adjustments to the bevy of breaking balls he saw last year.

A rookie campaign with a low OBP isn’t the end of the world…and CERTAINLY doesn’t justify trading him.

Your logic is relegated to the DL.

3 years 7 months ago

No matter what you say, there is absolutely no reason for the Angels to keep Trumbo. Pujols is the best hitter any of us have ever seen play, he plays 1B, so trade whoever you have at 1B to strengthen other areas. Total no brainer to get rid of him.

Houston_Astros
3 years 7 months ago

A .327 wOBA at twenty-five isn’t spectacular for a first baseman.  He is the third best first basemen under contract.  Why would they want to keep him? 

3 years 7 months ago

jim hendry, is that you?

3 years 7 months ago

How long have you been a baseball fan? Random players hit 30+ HR all the freaking time. Trumbo is just another one of them.

notsureifsrs
3 years 7 months ago

he hit 30 HRs and was still only 5% more productive than a league average hitter. that was the 5th worst performance in the league at 1B

special power does not a special offensive player make

3 years 7 months ago

I want to see Trumbo try 3rd base before a trade is made.

Salmon4Coach
3 years 7 months ago

I want to see Morales be 110% healthy before a trade gets made

3 years 7 months ago

^ That and ^ That.  The Angels need to find out what they have first.

Guest
3 years 7 months ago

Can’t happen like that unfortunately. They can’t all be on the 25 man roster and having 5 of the same player for 1 or 2 positions and on the bench is just a stupid way to run a team. Scioscia would never go for that. He would want better flexibility off the bench. One, if not both, will be gone by the end of January. There are just two many intelligent ways to work this, while the Angels have these assets available for a trade. 

3 years 7 months ago

I agree with Morales, disagree with Trumbo. Morales is well below peak value and Trumbo arguably wont ever have as much value as he does now. Trumbo is a definite trade, Morales is a wait and see, unless LAA gets an offer of something decent for him. He’s the risk. 

joeybw
3 years 7 months ago

Also, btw. Those 4 teams, none of them have a power back end arm. Rays have a lot of power arms in the minors but I don’t think the Angels care for that. Unless, they love Farnsworth for some reason, I don’t see that matching up well.

3 years 7 months ago

Jim Johnson for Morales?

3 years 7 months ago

Indians have two. Chris Perez (an All-Star last year) and Vinny Pestano.

bravesdude
3 years 7 months ago

The Braves have a few . And we also have a need in our OF and possibly 3rd next year .

Rangersfan32
3 years 7 months ago

I doubt Trumbo or Morales brings back any good power arms.

Melvin McMurf
3 years 7 months ago

trade wells 2

Lastings
3 years 7 months ago

Get Reagins a GM position, then you’re in business…

Rangersfan32
3 years 7 months ago

The only person idiotic enough to trade for Wells is currently out of a GM job.

omavricko
3 years 7 months ago

Chone figgins for trumbo make it happen

3 years 7 months ago

Thats actually a decent deal.

MetsMagic
3 years 7 months ago

If they expect Trout to break camp with the team, they should look into trading Bourjous. Trade Trumbo, their values will never be higher than they are now, don’t bother with Trumbo at 3rd, Callaspo is better. 

Trout, Wells and Hunter in the OF, Morales at DH. 

melonis_rex
3 years 7 months ago

Wells should never, ever be in CF. 

EDIT: I didn’t know Trout played CF.

Bourjos is still better than any of Wells/Abreu/Hunter/Trumbo/Morales, so he shouldn’t be traded.

joeybw
3 years 7 months ago

Trout should be in CF.

melonis_rex
3 years 7 months ago

edited, thanks. 

3 years 7 months ago

Trouts a CF I thought?

Salmon4Coach
3 years 7 months ago

and what happens in 2013? Trumbo and PBJ and Hunter and Abreu..Would be gone..So who plays RF then? Along with DH because we still don’t know if Morales can even play again and if he can play can he play in the level he was playing in before he got injured.

MetsMagic
3 years 7 months ago

I didn’t realize Bourjos was as good as he was. I should probably check the statsheet before I post next time. Sticky situation for the Angels. Bourjos approach at the plate is awful but he’s an elite defender. 

They are so flush with cash, Wells shouldn’t be taking playing time away from anyone. 

Salmon4Coach
3 years 7 months ago

He is an Elite defender and his bat would get better..During the end of the season he showed what he could do and with posting Double digits in every offensive category Doubles, Triples,Homers,Stolen base’s..Expect him to be a good threat on base next year

3 years 7 months ago

No thanks! Hunter and Wells will both be gone in a couple of years. A future outfield of Trout and Bourjous will be one of the best if not the best defensive outfield tandems in the league, given that Trout actually lives up to expectations. I think and correct me if I’m wrong but Bourjous saved the most runs in the league last year, and his bat was pretty solid to end the season.

3 years 7 months ago

Oh man, yet another “ship X player out of town because my team could use him” proposal.

Yeah…dude. Let’s ship out arguably the best defensive CF in the game who has a higher offensive ceiling than most realize just so Trout can play a position that better suits his speed.

Thanks for the morning laugh, much appreciated.

MetsMagic
3 years 7 months ago

I never said I wanted Bourjos for my team, but creating a strawman is much appreciated.

Bourjos is better than I thought, but I don’t think the Mariners would be too disappointed today if they had traded Gutierrez after his 2009 season. 

tdot32
3 years 7 months ago

i think the jays should get morales and try him out at 1st, as an alternative to committing a lot of money to prince. i like that he’s a switch hitter, and i think he has a team friendly contract? either way, he’d be a good fit for the jays if he’s healthy, imo.

joeybw
3 years 7 months ago

Oh no you don’t. We are running out of guys to get for 1B and the Jays have stolen enough from us just in the last year.

tdot32
3 years 7 months ago

you snooze, you lose :)

Lunchbox45
3 years 7 months ago

morales for encarnacion and perez. 

3 years 7 months ago

The “logjam” is temporary, Abreu and Hunter are both gone after 2012.  Why trade either one?

3 years 7 months ago

You get +3 intelligence points.

I’m so sick and tired of everyone pushing this issue. Trading either one at this juncture is stupid.

Salmon4Coach
3 years 7 months ago

Couldn’t agree more.. The only log jam we are going to have in 2013 will be Trumbo.. Assuming Morales does come back 110% and takes over DH.. Unless Trumbo learns how to play 3rd or if They actually replace Wells for Trumbo in LF.

3 years 7 months ago

Morales wont get much in return. Trumbo’s stock is probably as high as it ever will be. Sticking him at 3rd might lower that value if he cant make it and other clubs know he must be traded. Morales is a lefty and if he can return to some kind of form, it’s better to keep the bat form the left side who can also hit from the right side too.

baseballa11
3 years 7 months ago

trumbo plays third he’ll re injury his foot ..just like yook did in boston

3 years 7 months ago

Lineup of Trumbo, Pujols, Morales, and trout is deadly and defense of Borjous, Aybar, Kendrick, Hunter, and comeback from Wells. Not to mention four great starters Angel Vs. Ranger  games are going to be a whole lott better lol. They better be showing on espn lol

3 years 7 months ago

Trumbo is awful, I´d rather have Russell Branyan or Brad Hawpe…

vtadave
3 years 7 months ago

Omar Minaya, is that you?

3 years 7 months ago

Troll.

3 years 7 months ago

I’ll keep Morales until his value is sky high when he cracks the allstar team in KC then we trade em :). Right now hes not worth much why trade ? lol makes no sense lol

vtadave
3 years 7 months ago

So then it makes more sense to trade a guy playing at an All-Star level when you’re trying to win a championship?

3 years 7 months ago

Exactly. The same reason other teams want to take a “low-risk high-reward” flyer on Morales is the SAME EXACT REASON the Angels should keep him. 

If he returns to form…congratulations. It’s like you acquired not one but two MVP caliber 1st basemen this offseason. THEN you have a real trade chip that will net multiple quality prospects/major league piece. Or you can ride the wave into 2013 (his last under team control), offer arbitration and collect draft picks (working under premise that he’d be type-A since this entire hypothetical is predicated on his return to 2009 form).

If he doesn’t regain his 2009 form this year, oh well…you lost 3 million and a fringe prospect from some team buying low. Not the end of the world.

swigs
3 years 7 months ago

Keep both. They’re under team control, and bullpen needs are almost always exaggerated.

arthur3
3 years 7 months ago

The Pirates are desperate for some kind of a power bat. Maybe some kind of a deal could be worked for either Evan Meek or Joel Hanrahan involving Morales or Trumbo?

vtadave
3 years 7 months ago

Not much trade value with Meek, and I’d have to think if the Pirates would trade Hanrahan, they’d probably do it for prospects.

3 years 7 months ago

Trumbo smacks 30-35 bombs no problem regardless of the position why trade him now when we have another 5-6 years of control. He showed alot last year this kid is humble, works hard, and stepped up in key spots all of last year I’ll keep him and see how hes doing 3 years down the road 

3 years 7 months ago

Thank you for utilizing common sense. 

People keep pointing to his low OBP last season as justification for trading him, and it’s ludicrous. 

1) Rookie.
2) Big swing.
3) NO protection behind him.
4) Rookie.
5) Rookie.

Yeah guys, he’s the first power hitter to ever struggle with plate discipline in his rookie season in the history of the game. Time to ship his worthless rump out of town. Makes sense!

Lunchbox45
3 years 7 months ago

if only we had more data on trumbo..unfortunately he went straight from little league to the majors, so no one really knows what hes going to do in the future..

or no wait. he did player in the minors, where he posted a below average .330 obp in 5 MiLB seasons.

but he’ll totally all of a sudden learn pitch recognition, how to control the zone and how to work a walk at 26, despite the 5 seasons of minor leagues where he failed to do so..

totally reasonable assumption

Chris_RG
3 years 7 months ago

Don’t bother. It’s clear that some people are wearing rose-colored glasses when it comes to Trumbo.

He could remain a somewhat-valuable player, but some Angels fans who think he’s magically going to develop plate discipline after a career of showing NO plate discipline are foolish.

Chances are the league will figure him out next year and reality will hit hard. Look at Tyler Colvin.

If the Angels brass thought Trumbo was THAT good, why would they have went out and acquired Pujols?

MaineSox
3 years 7 months ago

It wasn’t just his rookie year, he only put up an even respectable OBP once in the minor leagues.  His BB% last year was only slightly lower than his minor league average.

notsureifsrs
3 years 7 months ago

“NO protection behind him.”

protection would have decreased his walks. so your list is down to “he has a big swing and was a rookie”

if it were true that all rookies get better, that might be interesting. but they don’t. and trumbo’s particular profile (power, no discipline) is terribly common among AAAA types

that’s not a prediction that he’ll be an AAAA type — i don’t have a dog in this fight — it’s just a reality check to be balanced against that “rookies get better!” dogma

Houston_Astros
3 years 7 months ago

LOL. Not only does protection in the lineup matter, but it applies to players who are well below league average.  Okay.

vtadave
3 years 7 months ago

Is he also a gamer who’s loved in the clubhouse and who also comes out and gives 110% each and every day?

3 years 7 months ago

My God, they really want us to trade soemone dont they, were gonna need alot for it tho 

BlueSkyLA
BlueSkyLA
3 years 7 months ago

I can see the Dodgers being in the mix for Morales, but not before May.

Red_Line_9
3 years 7 months ago

It appears on the surface that the Angels would be selling high on Trumbo, but I’m not sure other organizations are that high on him.  I feel if that were the case, I think we’d have heard alot more action from other clubs already.  I just don’t think he’s going to get the return right now that would make the Angels push the button on a deal this early.