Cubs, Dodgers Discussing Garza For Zach Lee Swap

The Cubs agreed to trade Ryan Dempster to Atlanta earlier today, and they aren't done dealing yet. The Cubs and Dodgers are discussing a trade that would send right-hander Matt Garza to Los Angeles for a package of players including highly-regarded pitching prospect Zach Lee, Jim Bowden of ESPN.com and MLB Network reports (on Twitter).

Garza, 28, has a 3.91 ERA with 8.3 K/9 and 2.8 BB/9 in 103 2/3 innings this year. He earns $9.5MM and will go to arbitration one last time this offseason, when his salary can be expected to climb past $12MM. If the Dodgers acquire Garza this summer, they'd be eligible to obtain draft pick compensation for him should he depart as a free agent following the 2013 season.

Lee, 20, entered the season as the Dodgers' best prospect and the 62nd-best prospect in MLB, according to Baseball America. He has a 5.85 ERA with 8.1 K/9 and 2.6 BB/9 in 17 starts at Class A and Double-A so far this year. The Dodgers signed the 2010 first round selection to a $5.25MM bonus after selecting him 28th overall two years ago.


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106 Comments on "Cubs, Dodgers Discussing Garza For Zach Lee Swap"


dylanp5030
3 years 1 month ago

Theo can do better..

dieharddodgerfan
3 years 1 month ago

I also hope Epstein looks to do better. Please Ned, move on from Garza.

3 years 1 month ago

Maybe that’s why he has Jud doing it?

baseball52
3 years 1 month ago

Oh boy, this is turning into an awesome day

cubs223425
3 years 1 month ago

Ehh, Zach Lee has yet to do anything. 3.68 Single-A FIP, 4.03 high-A FIP, 5.50 AA FIP. Yeah, he’s not yet 21 (turning 21 in August), but there had better be a good deal more to justify investing heavily in a possible 3-year project prospect who hasn’t even shown an ability to handle A-ball hitters.

3 years 1 month ago

those numbers @ Rancho Cucamonga are in a very high offensive league. a little skewed imo

sourbob
3 years 1 month ago

Agreed. He was arguably a little rushed, too.

Daniel Han
3 years 1 month ago

Do not look at prospect numbers and judge off of just those. It’s not about what a guy is, it’s about what a guy can be.

sdsuphilip
3 years 1 month ago

While true there is very little projection when it comes to lee.

Snoochies8
3 years 1 month ago

You mean little as in project as a 2/3 starter?

sdsuphilip
3 years 1 month ago

Lee is who he is now, average to slightly above average stuff with good control and ok command. His body is already “filled out” so he isn’t going to add more on his velocity. If everything goes perfectly he is a three, he never was going to be a front of the rotation guy, the stuff isn’t there.

cubs223425
3 years 1 month ago

The problem is that he’s pretty much ALL potential and no production. He’s going up levels without even managing to be average at the previous ones. Lee might be able to fit in as a #2 or #3, but he currently looks more like a #4 or #5 in AAA. I wouldn’t support trading Garza for someone who is doing absolutely nothing impressive in the minors.

Lookouts400
3 years 1 month ago

That’s what a prospect is, ya know? You have no idea what he’s working on down there, what kind of umpires, his teammates, anything. Anyone who pays attention to a top prospect’s numbers in the minors, especially the lower minors, doesn’t really have a grasp.

cubs223425
3 years 1 month ago

You think that a prospect should be someone completely incapable of beating minor league players? No umpire should lead to results THAT terrible.
And we’re not just talking about the lower minors. We’re talking about consistently failing to produce over 3 levels now.

3 years 1 month ago

Lee is more of a solid #3 at this point. His command isnt good. Cant get his fastball over consistently so hitters are sitting on his breaking stuff and hitting him around pretty good. Still very young, but not the lynch pin of this trade if its gonna happen. I think Gordon and Gould will have to also be part of package.

thegrayrace
3 years 1 month ago

Gordon won’t be dealt now. He’s injured and the Dodgers would be selling low. Gould, sure.

JakeD
3 years 1 month ago

Every time I get an alert, I have physically and emotionally broken down with joy.

Daniel Han
3 years 1 month ago

A GREAT DAY

nycub
3 years 1 month ago

Yes, let’s hope the Dempster trade sets off a flurry of trades now, yeah? It’s been rather boring so far

Jimmy Bloomfield
3 years 1 month ago

delgado AND zach lee????

3 years 1 month ago

Do they know that the trade deadline isn’t until next Tuesday?

donjuandemarco
3 years 1 month ago

Zach Lee is a top pitching prospect…..that return would be nice but my bet is, if Dempster returned Delgado, then more than Lee is coming with Garza.

Chris Lattier
3 years 1 month ago

Try for some of the Rangers prospects. I don’t think Lee is even the talent that Randall Delgado is.

Dodgers better throw in more than just Lee.

baseball52
3 years 1 month ago

I don’t think you know anything about Zach Lee.

Chris Lattier
3 years 1 month ago

What about my post do you think is inaccurate? That Lee isn’t the prospect that Randall Delgado is? Baseball America and numerous scouts would agree w/ me. Delgado was rated higher than Lee just at the beginning of the year. Delgado has seen some success in the bigs already this year while Lee has an ERA close to 6 in high A and double A this year. His stock has to have fallen since the beginning of the year…

Or do you have a problem w/ the second part of my statement? I think Garza’s value has to be higher than Dempster’s — Dempster netted Delgado — why should Cubs get a lesser prospect for him than Garza?

3 years 1 month ago

Because the braves overpayed to get the guy they wanted.I agree Garza should be worth more the Demspter but dont expect another top 50 spec.

Chris Lattier
3 years 1 month ago

I agree w/ that. Braves did overpay for a rental. I just think Lee’s value has had to take a hit after the kind of year he’s had. Dodgers farm system is kind of void of top level talent. You don’t think the Cubs would find a better package from a different team?

3 years 1 month ago

From a fan standpoint i agree they probably could find a better deal. But i dont really think theirs a big market out there for Garza.Rangers are said to only be interested in trading top specs if its for Hamels or Grienke.

3 years 1 month ago

i dont think theirs a huge market for Garza .Rangers have said they will only want to trade top specs for Greike or Hamels only

nm344
3 years 1 month ago

Zach Lee has been horrible lately.

CAD_Monkey
3 years 1 month ago

Isn’t it just because he was recently promoted to AA? Although honestly I don’t know how much of a jump in skill level there is from A to AA.

asovermann
3 years 1 month ago

Bad in A too

Nick Sossamon
3 years 1 month ago

Bad in A? He has a 1.2 WHIP, 7.5/2.5 K/BB and 3.47 ERA as a 19 year old. That is pretty damn good.

He’s 20 in AA, he’s gonna take his lumps.

Snoochies8
3 years 1 month ago

Honestly, in his case, numbers are pretty much the last thing to base any kinda opinion on him with

dylanp5030
3 years 1 month ago

The jump from A to AA is arguably the hardest in the minors.

Lunchbox45
3 years 1 month ago

5 game span!? cut him! just release him.

101andCounting
3 years 1 month ago

I’d much rather get Perez from the Rangers, but I obviously wouldn’t object if we could get Lee and Eovaldi for Garza.

EDIT: or even Lee/Eovaldi and John Ely

cubs223425
3 years 1 month ago

Why? Perez has seen his K/9 drop at every stop in the minors, and his walks have gone up at the same time. A 4.37 FIP isn’t exactly worth bragging about. I’d rather get any of the top-3, maybe even top-5, pitching prospects from the Blue Jays.

101andCounting
3 years 1 month ago

True. Maybe Perez isn’t the answer. I don’t see the Jays dealing for Garza though – the 10-player trade from the other day seems like the Jays are waiting until next year.

cubs223425
3 years 1 month ago

Garza’s under team control for next year.

101andCounting
3 years 1 month ago

Point made – maybe it’ll happen. I definitely like the Demp trade too – good move by Theo & Co. to set the market. I’m very interested to see what they can get for Garza.

3 years 1 month ago

Why would that trade make you think that they are waiting until next year? Fact is, that is a trade made solely for this year.

3 years 1 month ago

I would most certainly give you Eovaldi and Ely for Garza, just not Lee.

dieharddodgerfan
3 years 1 month ago

Definitely DO NOT like this trade! Zach Lee for Garza?! Would rather trade Lee in a package for a bat, not a pitcher!

Heck, I would do Zach Lee and Eovaldi for Headley over Garza. At least the Dodgers improve the hitting at 3B (by a large margin).

cubs223425
3 years 1 month ago

I agree. Don’t trade for Garza. I want a pitching prospect who knows how to pitch, haha.

Nick Sossamon
3 years 1 month ago

Headley is under control for two more seasons after this and is one of the better third basemen in the game. Gonna take a major haul with many chips to get him out of San Diego.

dieharddodgerfan
3 years 1 month ago

Dude, if the Dodgers offer Lee and Eovaldi, believe me, the Padres would at least listen. That’s 2 legit pitching prospects. Zach Lee is struggling a bit, but he’s young for AA and, honestly, probably is suffering from a little dead arm. The Dodgers should probably shut him down for a while and let his arm rest.

Not saying the Padres would do the trade, but an offer like the one I mentioned would definitely be considered.

3 years 1 month ago

Chase Headley is overrated in my opinion, he is only hitting like .260, which average to below average.

Shawn Young
3 years 1 month ago

seriously? Keep Garza if thats all you can get right now. The rangers system has more talented pitching in it than zach lee. Heck Delgado is better than Lee. I say move on from the dodgers

rainyperez
3 years 1 month ago

Yeah if I’m the Cubs I’ll try to get maximum value for Garza. Not sure if the Dodgers have enough value in their minor league system to warrant a trade. Maybe if they got Lee plus another top tier arm in their system it makes sense.

burtonbball88
3 years 1 month ago

Agreed. I want some proven success in the Minors. The Dodgers just don’t have anything to offer in that department to get Garza.

paylly
3 years 1 month ago

Heck, I actually wouldn’t give you Lee for Garza, as a Dodger fan!
We don’t even trally need pitching as much as we need a bat!

TyMxx
3 years 1 month ago

With the Cubs receiving Delgado for a Dempster, the bar for starting pitchers is now set on what Lariano, Shields, and Garza can fetch. If the Dodgers were smart, they’d get this deal done ASAP before another team decides to go all in.

As a Cubs fan, this has the potential to be a very good day.

And just a side note here for the rest of Cubs faithful out there or those that are genuinely interested, here’s a link to Soler’s first homerun. Even with a crappy cell phone, you can really hear what the scouts were talking about.

slyfox1908
3 years 1 month ago

Why the rush? You’ve moved Dempster, sit back, let Hamels and Greinke get extended, and let the market develop for Garza.

CubbieBlueHoosier
3 years 1 month ago

And if Hamels and/or Greinke get traded? That’s one less buyer on the market, driving Garza’s price down. It’s a gamble either way.

slyfox1908
3 years 1 month ago

One less buyer, but also one less player available. I could see a team growing desperate after failing to land two of their targets.

Bill W.
3 years 1 month ago

Remember that the Cubs gave up Hak-Ju Lee (now the no. 12 overall prospect in MLB according to ESPN) & Chris Archer (now no. 63 overall) to get Garza… Hopefully we get more than just Zach Lee in return.

elbeisbol
3 years 1 month ago

Garza was under contract for a lot longer at the time, so any return might pale in comparison.

Theo knows what he’s doing though, I wouldn’t sweat it.

jwsox
3 years 1 month ago

Theo isnt the GM, Jed is

scott brecht
3 years 1 month ago

Theo is Jed’s boss and in charge of the organization. Most teams have a GM who is the highest executive in the front office. The Cubs are different now. Stop being a jackass. Theo is running the show.

Lunchbox45
3 years 1 month ago

Dodgers should probably add a bat before an arm.

dieharddodgerfan
3 years 1 month ago

Agree. Dodgers need offense more than pitching, especially from the corner infield spots.

Billingsley comes back today and Ted Lilly is likely only a couple weeks away. Why are they trading for pitching when their starters’ ERA has been one of the best in all of baseball?!

BlueSkyLA
BlueSkyLA
3 years 1 month ago

With all the irrelevant debating over who overpaid for what, this question remains the elephant in the room. The only answer I come up with is that Lilly is not close to returning. Seems like he’s been “a couple weeks away” for like a month now. Not a good sign, and the only answer I can figure for wanting Garza (or Dempster).

redlake
3 years 1 month ago

I strongly agree! We really continue to need a middle of the order bat. I’m thinking 20 plus HRs,80 plus RBIs, clutch type hitter .280 plus average….I’m not hearing much about earlier discussions of Ramirez???? He fits that profile plus he would be more about money than prospects.

WrigleyTerror37
3 years 1 month ago

Dont know to much about Lee but after reading ppl’s comments he has potential, But can anyone else tell me what else could be shipped with Lee for Garza?

Frank Richard
3 years 1 month ago

Honestly if I’m the Tigers I would overpay a little for Garza a pitcher that could be part of my plans for years and maybe get Darwin Bareny included in the deal. The Tigers can win now and for a couple years if they can get some pitching and a little up the middle D. Turner and Castellanos plus some lesser prospects could get that done that would give the Cibs why they want and Castellanos is blocked anyways.

jb226
3 years 1 month ago

If the Tigers gave us Turner and Castellanos they wouldn’t need to throw anybody else in, somebody would be driving Garza and Barney to the airport already.

Frank Richard
3 years 1 month ago

The asking price for Garza all year has been 2 top 10 prospect plus one low upside prospect why would that change I you added Barney to the mix.

jb226
3 years 1 month ago

The asking price only matters if the Cubs are really going to hang on to the player if they don’t get it (highly unlikely) or if another team is offering more. The real question is would anybody offer a better package and I doubt it. Plus those two fill needs for the Cubs’ farm system extremely well.

I’m sure you’ve seen that Turner got dealt to the Marlins, though, so it is all rather moot.

3 years 1 month ago

Being in the rather unusual position of being both a Dodger fan (where I grew up) and a Cubs fan (where I’ve lived for fifteen years) I can say that, given the objectives of both teams right now, this makes sense. I like Garza over Dempster, just because Dempster’s career numbers in no way support what he’s done this year. He’ll be a 4,00 ERA the rest of the way. Garza is MUCH younger, and I like him better for the Dodgers. True, Lee has done nothing, but he IS young. Ryan stunk as a youngster, I will remind everyone. This guy will be good-probably not a #1-but likely at least a #3. If he ends up a #2, than it’s a dead even swap-with many years ahead of him!

slider32
3 years 1 month ago

Lee and another pitching prospect for Garza makes good sense for both teams. If Dempster gets you Delgado than Garza should get you more than just Lee.

jwsox
3 years 1 month ago

I seriously dont understand why Jed(THE GM NOT THEO) isnt calling AA, the Jays need pitching, And they have a stacked system. Garza had a ton of success in the AL East he could help them like crazy. I know it wouldnt happen but he could ask for D’Arnud…again I know that wouldnt be likely at all but they do still have a great farm system Jed could have his way with