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Cubs a Good Fit for Barry's Bat

Tim mentioned in this post that fielding know-it-all John Dewan thinks Barry Bonds can still play a tolerable outfield.  Well, Bob Nightengale has broken the rumor-ice and brought two NL teams into the "Where Will Bonds Play Next" game:

Chicago and Florida.

The Cubbies, heavy in right handed hitters, would love a bat like Bonds' in the lineup.  They probably have the money, though they'll add $10MM in payroll for '08 just to maintain the current group. With Bonds' regular need for time off, there'd still be plenty of playing time for Matt Murton.

Bonds, meanwhile, just may be the apple of Jeffrey Loria's eye.  The Florida Marlins owner was fined by the commissioners office last year for flying Bonds to New York in his personal jet.  But if the Fish deal Dontrelle Willis in the offseason, it'd be hard to convince Bonds that they're a serious contender.



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uh uh... no way.. there is no way i want bonds on my cubs, forget that. he can take his roids and hgh elsewhere, like retirement

NO way the cubs go for him. He'll be a DH either in boston or ny

Bonds won't be a DH in either NY or Boston.

The Yankees have enough guys that need to spend some or most of their time at DH with Damon, Matsui, and Giambi. It's even more of an issue if they pick up Abreu's option.

After the way Sosa and the Cubs parted, I can't see Bonds being a good fit. I'd rather see Sam Fuld in their outfield.

As always, any Cubs rumors start and end with this..."depends on who the new owner will be..."

I'd love to have Bonds' bat, but Right Field? Ouch.

It would have to start with the Cubs owner(s) saying they wanted him, then asking Sori to move to RF, which I think his arm could handle....then signing Barry. Sori wouldn't be great in right either...but if Pie starts, the has range for days.

Barry Bonds > Jacque Jones ?

Uh, how would that even work? Would Soriano have to be moved yet again to CF just to allow another D-Challenged 12+M Slugger into the lineup? OF of Bonds/Soriano/Jones? Yeah, I would pass…

Like I mentioned in the Bonds/KC/TB thread, I could see 4 NL teams being a fit ~ but Chi isn’t one of them. The team would have to have superior fielding in CF and pitchers they trust enough on the mound if they wanted him in Left. I say SD and LA are perfect fits with Mil and NYM being able to handle it well. SD or Fla make no sense what so ever though, neither have a CFer to allow.

Now, if Chi managed to sign A-Rod, traded Soriano and used Pie (who ideally plays a better CF then he did this year) THEN maybe it makes a little bit of sense ~ and would probably be much better for the team for not much that much more money really…


“Barry Bonds > Jacque Jones ?”
…Youre kidding right? That’s like asking if Brett Favre is better than Dan McGwire (yeah, Marks brother ~ look it up if ya don’t know…)

This guy is right. Bonds coul be exactly the big left handed bat the cubs are lacking. There is nothing wrong with havig a great lineup of righties, but at some point u just need to mix it up a little. We have heard tejada and some other right handed bats, but the Cubs witha dangerous lefty in the middle of the lineup like Bonds, that could make them far and away the best in the NL, if they arent already.

"He'll be a DH either in boston or ny"

okay. Thanks for thinking that one through.

17th in obp, 15th in slg. Bonds is perfect for the Cubbies need, therefore no chance in hell it happens. It makes to much sense.

"The team would have to have superior fielding in CF and pitchers they trust enough on the mound if they wanted him in Left."

With Pie in center, that statement IS the Cubs. They have the 2nd best Starting pitching in the NL...and Pie will be a stud defensively. Sori will move to right for Bonds, I guarentee it. I actually like this idea more when I think about it...kind of scary actually.

1. Soriano
2. Lee
3. Bonds
4. Ramirez
5. DeRosa
6. Soto
7. The Riot
8. Pie
9. Pitcher

That would be amazing...

or the other option is

1. The Riot
2. Lee
3. Bonds
4. Ramirez
5. Soriano
6. DeRosa
7. Soto
8. Pie
9. Pitcher

As you can tell, I like Lee hitting 2nd if we got Bonds...but maybe thats just me.

"Barry Bonds > Jacque Jones ?"

I cannot believe I just read that....

bonds on the cubs? sign me up. forget anything bad about this guy.. he can still bring a .500 OBP. who knows what he could do with guys like soriano, ramirez, & lee giving him some real protection in the lineup...

That's weird, my comment was missing the end of it. Wonder how that got lost.

I also said Bonds wouldn't DH in Boston, as that would imply having two out of the set of Manny, Ortiz, and Bonds on the field at any given time. Ortiz at DH would imply Manny and Bonds taking the corner outfield spots. I don't think you'd want to see either of them in right...

Jim Hendry hates OBP way too much for this to happen.

Bonds/Pie/Soriano would work just fine defensively. Soriano should be in RF anyway.

Hey, TypeKey doesn't accuse me of being comment spam anymore! Too bad for all of you.

I think the cubbies need to worry about this season...they are taking the lump this week. That being said, the cubs got some major work to do this offseasons...they got some good pieces but the only reason they are in it is cause the central is terrible. I think Bonds would tear it up in Chicago. Small ballpark and the wind blowing out...he'd put up 40 easy if he could stay remotely healthy.

My question is can Soriano play second??? I know he is not the best defensively there but could he or would he still want to do it. I know Derosa is putting up some great numbers, but I think a guy like Derosa is very easily tradable and coveted by a good number of teams unlike Soriano's monster contract. An outfield with Bonds, Soriano, and Jones would be terrible. But if the cubs could acquire or use Pie as a solid centerfield to help Barry I think it could work.

PLH,
“Bonds/Pie/Soriano would work just fine defensively. Soriano should be in RF anyway”

Question to that; does Pie really project to be a good defensive CFer? I’ve heard conflicting reports and looking over the B-P Mil numbers I can understand why. Then the difference between playing in the minors vs the Windy City have to be thought about which has provided less than stellar results in 07… Well, you may know a bit more about him ~ is he really highly regarded on the D side?

Secondly, if they do sign Bonds do you think Pie really plays? If they sign Bonds to a 1yr it would be for another all-out push, would Hendry field a rookie with fairly bad results so far in that situation or would they go like they did this year with a corner guy in CF because of the more experience bat. His track record seems to be to replace inexperience with experience whenever possible from what I can see, and loving it until it doesn’t work ~ ie Izturis who he was bragging up like crazy over Theriot who many felt should have been the starter to begin with or Floyd over Murton etc. Its not really a new thing either…

Nobody thought Theriot should have been starting over Izturis because we didn't know Theriot was a natural SS. Nobody did because Dusty didn't start rookies everyday last year like a team out of the race should. I always thought Theriot was just a 2B and couldn't play SS and obviously, so did Lou. Turns out he had a much better bat and glove than Izturis.

Everything I see from Pie shows me he is a tremendous CF. I'd have to wait for a new edition of the Fielding Bible.

All I have ever heard from Pie is that he has a plus arm for CF that is accurate, he has range for days, and takes good routes. I don't really see why wrigley would make him worse....I don't know if he is Tori Hunter...but I know he is a + CF.

He'd be perfect for the flubbie circus ! And, their fans love juicers!

NOOOO!!!! This is a terrible idea.

Dark,

BP said he was playing a major league calibur CF as early as before the 2005 season...and he has only gotten better since then.

Yeah, I don't think there's ever really been a question about his defense. He needs to hit and I think he will. His minor league numbers aren't an abberation

Teetz,

Theriot had actually played a fairly equal amount of time at SS as 2B in the minors. Really, many Cubs fans I talked to and sites I saw said they felt this.
Ex: http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_whatsgoinon/2007/02/alfonso_soriano.html

Everyone knew/knows Izturis is horrid and provides nothing, it was kind of a natural reaction to want Theriot instead really. Hendry was obviously the “brains” (if you will) behind Izturis though and was singing his praises after signing Soriano…
Ex: “We get Derrek Lee back healthy. With Izturis at shortstop all year and throw in Soriano in the middle of the lineup, we can do some things."

As far as Pie, everything you read boils down to “he has great speed which should translate into good D” but a good chunk of the reports point to average to below-avg defense in CF until last year with statements like “improved his defensive value over the last year”. Much like his other skills, most say he has the “potential to become” more than he has shown and we all know potential does not mean much if the results aren’t there. That’s why I ask.

Dark,

Where are you seeing these reports that say "but a good chunk of the reports point to average to below-avg defense in CF "? All I can find is Baseball Prospectus saying that he played a major league calibur CF when he was like 20.....

Also...watch some games. I'm not saying that negitively...but there is a reason they put him in for Jones as a defensive replacement...not that Jones is great, but he has done a great job in center this year.

Anyway, also know that he has a plus arm and its accurate as well. I don't really know of any aspect of his defensive game that isn't above average

Watched games and seen mixed results. BP is the only page I have found that has previously described him as actually ML ready in the field, everywhere else says "has the tools and played better last year" for the most part. And no clue why they would replace Jones with Pie as a defensive replacement, Jones has actually has a much better RF than Pie so its looks like a complete backwards move when you look at results.

Felix Pie was a UZR stud at the ASB. On pace for +23 in a small sample.

Pie's RZR is higher than anyone qualified this year.

Anyway, I've never heard anyone knock Pie's defense. He's supposed to be a stud out there, and I saw him make an unbelievable catch earlier in the year in person. Not a circus catch, but he tracked a ball for a hundred feet and made it look effortless.

Rasmus and some others will probably be the better package, but Pie might be winning Gold Gloves for years. He's also only 22 and has an .825 minor league OPS.

Felix Pie was a UZR stud at the ASB. On pace for +23 in a small sample.

Pie's RZR is higher than anyone qualified this year.

Anyway, I've never heard anyone knock Pie's defense. He's supposed to be a stud out there, and I saw him make an unbelievable catch earlier in the year in person. Not a circus catch, but he tracked a ball for a hundred feet and made it look effortless.

Rasmus and some others will probably be the better package, but Pie might be winning Gold Gloves for years. He's also only 22 and has an .825 minor league OPS.

So to me, your statement seems pretty true. The Cubs would have a defensive Stud in CF and pitching that ranked 2nd in era in the league. Barry in left and Sori in right doens't hurt them much, especially with Sori throwing out everyone in sight.

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