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Offseason In Review: New York Mets

By Darragh McDonald | March 14, 2023 at 4:54pm CDT

The Mets had a huge number of players departing via free agency, but owner Steve Cohen signed off on new heights of spending to replenish the roster. In some cases, familiar faces were brought back, but there are also some intriguing new additions. The payroll almost went even higher, as the Mets took center stage in the middle chapter of the Carlos Correa saga. Even though that mega deal ultimately fell through, the Mets still shot way past previous spending records and the highest luxury tax bracket in their aim of putting together another competitive team for 2023.

Major League Signings

  • OF Brandon Nimmo: eight years, $162MM
  • RHP Edwin Díaz: five years, $102MM, includes club option for 2028 and Díaz can opt out after 2025
  • RHP Justin Verlander: two years, $86.67MM, includes conditional player option for 2025
  • RHP Kodai Senga: five years, $75MM, Senga can opt out after 2025
  • LHP José Quintana: two years, $26MM
  • C Omar Narváez: two years, $15MM, Narváez can opt out after 2023
  • RHP Adam Ottavino: two years, $14.5MM, Ottavino can opt out after 2023
  • RHP David Robertson: one year, $10MM
  • OF Tommy Pham: one year, $6MM
  • IF Danny Mendick: one year, $1MM

2022 spending: $144.5MM
Total spending: $498.17MM

Option Decisions

  • RHP Jacob deGrom opted out of one-year, $30.5MM plus club option remaining on contract
  • RHP Taijuan Walker declined $7.5MM player option in favor of $3MM buyout
  • RHP Chris Bassitt declined $19MM mutual option in favor of $150K buyout
  • Club triggered $1.5MM club option on DH Daniel Vogelbach
  • Club declined mutual option on RHP Mychal Givens in favor of $1.25MM buyout
  • Club triggered $14MM option on RHP Carlos Carrasco
  • Club triggered $775K option on RHP John Curtiss

Trades And Claims

  • Claimed LHP Tayler Saucedo off waivers from Blue Jays, later lost off waivers to the Mariners
  • Claimed RHP Stephen Ridings off waivers from Yankees
  • Claimed RHP William Woods off waivers from Braves, later outrighted off 40-man roster
  • Acquired RHPs Elieser Hernández and Jeff Brigham from Marlins for RHP Franklin Sanchez and PTBNL, later named as OF Jake Mangum
  • Selected RHP Zach Greene from Yankees in Rule 5 draft, later returned to the Yankees
  • Acquired LHP Brooks Raley from Rays for LHP Keyshawn Askew
  • Traded C James McCann and cash considerations to the Orioles for a PTBNL, later named as Luis De La Cruz
  • Claimed RHP Sam Coonrod off waivers from Phillies

Extensions

  • IF Jeff McNeil: four years, $50MM plus club option for 2027
  • C Tomás Nido: two years, $3.7MM, covered his final two arb seasons and didn’t extend the club’s window of control

Notable Minor League Signings

  • Denyi Reyes, Jimmy Yacabonis, Tommy Hunter, Sean Reid-Foley, José Peraza, Abraham Almonte, T.J. McFarland, Tim Locastro, Michael Perez, DJ Stewart, Jaylin Davis

Notable Losses

  • Jacob deGrom, Taijuan Walker, Chris Bassitt, Seth Lugo, Trevor Williams, Tyler Naquin, Joely Rodríguez, Trevor May, Mychal Givens, Dominic Smith, Chasen Shreve, Yoan López

The Mets had a very strong season in 2022, winning 101 games, their second-highest tally in franchise history. However, it ended with a few sour notes. Though the Mets were leading the National League East for most of the year, a scorching-hot Atlanta club blasted past them in the final days of the season to capture the division title and secure a bye through the Wild Card round. That left the Mets to face off against the Padres in a three-game series that they eventually lost.

In the aftermath of that tough finish, the Mets were looking at a challenging offseason scenario, with a great number of impending departures. Brandon Nimmo was the most notable position player heading into free agency, but he was potentially going to be joined by a huge chunk of the pitching staff. Jacob deGrom opted out of his contract, while Chris Bassitt and Taijuan Walker each declined options. The club decided to trigger their option over Carlos Carrasco to prevent a fourth departure. In the bullpen, Edwin Díaz, Adam Ottavino, Trevor Williams, Joely Rodriguez, Mychal Givens, Seth Lugo, Trevor May and Tommy Hunter were all headed out the door. That left general manager Billy Eppler a huge to-do list, but owner Steve Cohen greenlit unprecedented spending in order to get things back in order.

First up was Díaz, who was already one of the most-feared relievers in MLB before taking his game to new heights in 2022. He posted a 1.31 ERA over 61 appearances with a ridiculous 50.2% strikeout rate. Based on that monster campaign, the Mets wasted little time in bringing him back aboard. The day after the World Series ended, the Mets and Díaz were already in agreement on a five-year, $102MM deal, a record-setting guarantee for a relief pitcher in terms of both annual value and total guarantee.

There would still be more work to do in the bullpen, but the switched to the rotation following the Díaz deal. In a span of less than two weeks in early December, deGrom signed with the Rangers, Walker with the Phillies and Bassitt with the Blue Jays. The Mets effectively replaced them by signing free agents Justin Verlander, Kodai Senga and José Quintana.

The deGrom and Verlander moves amount to a swap of aces, though they come at different point in their careers. deGrom will turn 35 in June but has been limited by injuries over the past two years. Nonetheless, he secured a five-year deal from the Rangers. Verlander, on the other hand, is now 40. He essentially missed the entire 2020-2021 seasons, making just a single start in the former season before Tommy John put him on the shelf. Incredibly, he returned to the mound in 2022 and made 28 starts with a 1.75 ERA, earning a Cy Young Award in the process. He tied Scherzer’s record-setting average annual value from the Mets, but on just a two-year guarantee.

Overall, this flutter of moves left the Mets with a strong on-paper rotation, but one with lots of risk. Senga has been an excellent starter in Japan, with a career ERA of 2.42 in NPB and a 1.94 figure last year. However, the move over the Pacific doesn’t always go according to plan, making Senga less than a sure thing. Quintana is coming off a great 2022 campaign but had a real rough showing in the two prior seasons.

There’s also the general looming risk of pitcher injuries to consider, which is present for every team but will be particularly notable with this group. Of the projected starting five, Senga is the only one who’s under 34 years old. Though Senga is just 30, he will be making the transition from Japan where pitchers usually take the ball once a week, to the five-day rotation preferred in North America. It’s virtually impossible for any five-man rotation to stay 100% healthy for an entire season, and this club’s relatively older group might need some extra focus on this department.

It looks like they might have to lean on their depth right out of the gate, as Quintana is set to undergo bone graft surgery to address a benign lesion on his rib and will be out until at least July. Fortunately, the Mets have a solid group of depth starters like David Peterson, Tylor Megill and Joey Lucchesi. They also acquired Elieser Hernández from the Marlins this winter, giving them another option.

In the midst of all that rotation shuffle, the club also took the Díaz approach to Brandon Nimmo, outbidding the field to keep him in the fold. There’s certainly risk in giving an eight-year deal to a player who has long had the injury-prone label, but he’s avoided lengthy absences in the past few years and he was easily the best center fielder available. High-risk options like Cody Bellinger and Kevin Kiermaier were the primary free-agent alternatives, and the trade market lacked options. The Mets clearly preferred to just stick with Nimmo and put down $162MM to prevent him from getting away.

There was one other outfield addition to come later, with Tommy Pham being brought in. He’s long been a strong option against left-handed pitchers and could perhaps take over that specialist role that Darin Ruf was supposed to fill last year. With left-handed hitting Daniel Vogelbach seemingly lined up to be the primary designated hitter, Pham could take the small half of a platoon there, while also occasionally giving the regular outfielders time off on occasion.

The club also decided it was time to move on from the James McCann experiment. He parlayed two good years with the White Sox, one of which was the shortened 2020 season, into a four-year deal with the Mets. But the first two years in Queens were quite dismal and it was decided to make a switch. The Mets signed Omar Narváez and traded McCann to the Orioles, eating most of his contract in the process. That’s a defensible move from a pure baseball perspective, but it’s an expensive one. The Mets will essentially have both catchers on the books and will be paying significant taxes on each, given where their payroll eventually ended up.

Circling back to the bullpen, bringing Díaz back was an impactful move, but there was still much more to do. The club would eventually re-sign Ottavino, in addition to adding David Robertson via free agency. Trades also brought aboard Brooks Raley and Jeff Brigham, while Sam Coonrod and Stephen Ridings were claimed off waivers and Zach Greene was selected in the Rule 5 (though he’s since been returned to the Yankees). There will also be a pseudo new addition in John Curtiss, who was signed a year ago but missed all of 2022 recovery from Tommy John surgery.

As mentioned, all of these moves shot the payroll up to incredible new heights, but it almost went even higher due to the unprecedented Carlos Correa free agency. Correa seemed destined to be a Giant for a time, as he and the club agreed to a 13-year, $350MM deal in December. However, the club raised concerns about something in his physical, later revealed to be his right ankle. The Mets swooped in and agreed to bring Correa aboard for $315MM over 12 years, slightly less than his first agreement. The club already had a shortstop in Francisco Lindor but was planning to install Correa at third, displacing Eduardo Escobar. Correa’s agent Scott Boras reportedly contacted Cohen directly as the latter was vacationing in Hawaii, with Cohen both greenlighting the agreement and discussing it publicly with the media. “I felt like our pitching was in good shape,” Cohen said at the time. “We needed one more hitter. This puts us over the top.”

The holiday slow-down period arrived without the deal becoming official and reports started to emerge that the Mets had similar concerns to the Giants. In a stunning twist, the Mets and Correa’s camp couldn’t get the deal over the finish line and he eventually signed with the Twins on a much smaller $200MM guarantee. The six-year deal with Minnesota is just half the length of his agreement with the Mets, though there are four vesting options that could potentially take the contract to the ten-year mark.

With that deal falling through, the Mets will go into 2023 with a position player mix that’s fairly similar to last year’s club. Pham is a new addition but Dominic Smith is out after being non-tendered. Narváez will swap in for McCann behind the plate and Danny Mendick will be in the mix for a reserve infield role.

The pitching staff has seen much more turnover, but the outlook doesn’t appear to be drastically different. With Max Scherzer still around, the club can still deploy a strong one-two punch at the top of the rotation, with Verlander slotting into deGrom’s place. Carrasco is back and hanging onto a spot, and Senga will replace one of Bassitt or Walker. A healthy Quintana could eventually offset the loss of the other, but the Mets will test their depth early in the season. Peterson and Megill are both solid options who’d likely have rotation jobs elsewhere, and either could capably hold down a spot while Quintana mends. The bullpen ended up retaining Díaz and Ottavino, while players like Robertson and Raley will try to make up for the departures of Lugo, May, Rodriguez and others.

It can be debated about whether the 2023 roster is stronger or weaker than the 2022 version, but it seems to be in roughly the same area. The Mets are still good and should be in competition with Atlanta and Philly for the division yet again — but keeping pace with those clubs wasn’t cheap. Even without Correa on the books, Roster Resource pegs the Mets for a pure payroll of $355MM and a competitive balance tax figure of $374MM. Both of those numbers are well beyond anything in baseball history.

Since the Mets paid the luxury tax in 2022, they will be a second-time payor in 2023. The new collective bargaining agreement significantly pushed the tax thresholds but also added a fourth tier, colloquially dubbed the “Steve Cohen tax,” as it has been seen by many as an attempt to rein in baseball’s richest owner. However, it doesn’t seem to have been terribly effective, given that the Mets have blown past that $293MM tier. As a second time payor, the Mets’ taxation tiers at the four different thresholds are 30%, 42%, 75% and 90%. The CBT isn’t calculated until the end of the season, so midseason moves will change the calculus, but the club is currently facing a tax bill of about $102MM on top of that $355MM payroll. They will also certainly have their top 2024 draft pick pushed back ten slots, as is the case for any clubs going over the third CBT tier.

This staggering commitment to winning is surely welcomed by segments of the fanbase, especially those who were so critical of the Wilpon family for not acting like a big market club during their tenure as owners prior to selling to Cohen. But not everyone around the majors is as enthused, with some of the league’s less-spendthrift owners recently forming an economic reform committee. The goal of this huddle seems to be some early game-planning for the next CBA, with some desiring a hard salary cap that would more adequately handcuff Cohen. That might be difficult to achieve with the MLBPA understandably having no real desire to allow such a cap to come into being, but it’s clear that Cohen’s imprint on the game is going to have reverberations. The current CBA lasts through the 2026 season, so it’s not a short-term concern, but it seems this offseason from the Mets has contributed to a future collision course.

How would you grade the Mets’ offseason? (Link to poll)

In conjunction with the Mets’ offseason review, we hosted a Mets-focused chat on March 15. You can click here to read the transcript.

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  1. NYMETSHEA

    7 days ago

    Anyone else want to see Tim Locastro make the team?

    Same time…

    Anyone want to see Tommy Pham and Darin Ruf not make the team?

    Reply
    • CrikesAlready

      7 days ago

      Pham = clubhouse cancer

      Reply
      • Hammerin' Hank

        7 days ago

        How do you know? You haven’t been in the clubhouse with him. Some or most of his teammates may like him. It’s the same tired old narrative that used to litter these comment sections concerning Yasiel Puig. It’s just a generalization that people keep repeating without knowing what really goes on in a clubhouse.

        Reply
        • LetTheGoodTimesROFL

          7 days ago

          What do you mean by generalization? I think punching a former teammate over fantasy football is a good indicator he isn’t easy to get along with.

        • phenomenalajs

          6 days ago

          It actually isn’t. It was one incident. Others who have been asked have vouched for him as a good teammate.

    • Fraham_

      7 days ago

      They wouldn’t sign Pham for 6M to not make the team

      Reply
    • raisinsss

      7 days ago

      I don’t think Ruf makes the team.

      Reply
      • Bill M

        7 days ago

        There’s always hope

        Reply
        • padam

          7 days ago

          Yeah, that he doesn’t make the team.

  2. CrikesAlready

    7 days ago

    No report of Joe Pepitone’s passing. It has been hours… Disappointed.

    Reply
    • jdgoat

      7 days ago

      There has been a post for hours…

      Reply
    • riffraff

      7 days ago

      https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/03/joe-pepitone-passes-away.html

      reported last night when it happened.

      Reply
    • leftykoufax

      7 days ago

      This was posted hours ago by the pros here at MlbTR.

      Reply
    • leftykoufax

      7 days ago

      The Mets look pretty solid, they and the Phillies should have some exciting games against each other this year.

      Reply
  3. bhambrave

    7 days ago

    I hope for good health for the Mets, and that they lose in the East by 5 games to the Braves.

    Reply
  4. amk1920

    7 days ago

    The Mets roster is so underwhelming for having the largest payroll ever. Braves and Dodgers would win 120 games if they had that budget.

    Reply
    • Big whiffa

      7 days ago

      Totally agree ! When they signed Correa I was like WATCHOUT. Then the dust settled and I got a good look at that roster and payroll and I was like what the…..then I remembered it’s the Mets. So I was like “oh yeah, they are just a dysfunctional version of the Yankees”

      Reply
      • MarlinsFanBase

        7 days ago

        OK, so I’m not the only one thinking this. For the amount they spend, they have a lot of holes, weaknesses and meh players, but then again, look at the many players they are overpaying for.

        Reply
  5. Rsox

    7 days ago

    A lot has to go absolutely right for the Mets for this not to look like a disaster and so far with Quintana out til July and Senga out til whenever they are definitely off to a rocky start

    Reply
    • sfes

      7 days ago

      1) they won 101 games last year with deGrom making 11 starts.

      2)Senga will be ready opening day

      3) yes there’s potential for injury and things to go wrong. But they aren’t a disaster hoping for a miracle like you say.

      4) They did exactly what LA did when the team was sold. Spend as much as you can to stay competitive with a messy roster and rebuild the farm. Comparing them to LA now is apples and oranges. They’re closer to what the Dodgers began 10 years ago except with a better roster and still haven’t traded their top prospects

      Reply
      • SoCalBrave

        7 days ago

        It wouldn’t surprise me if the Mets won 105 games or 86 games. I honestly don’t know what to expect

        Reply
        • JackStrawb

          7 days ago

          86 looks far more likely than 105, sadly.

          There’s a likely cap around 95 just because of how injury-prone this old team is, and how modest the backups are.

          There also isn’t much in the way of minor league help that’s likely to come up early and substantially improve a position. Baty may well outhit Escobar, but he’ll give a lot of that back in fielding. Guys to improve upon include Canha and RH DHing, but Canha was hardly bad last year, and a RH DH will get into, what, 40-50 games?

          The Mets pitching depth is nowhere near what many think it is, though we’ll find out soon enough, unfortunately; they don’t have anything like a real 4th OFer when their old OF starts missing time; Alvarez isn’t likely to come up any time soon; there’s no decent bullpen depth….

          Ancient team with a lot of time likely to be missed, the modest depth everywhere, no one riding to the rescue, unimpressive 6th starters, and good, not great offense… suggest a team that will win 95 if things go well, within reason, and have a fair shot at dropping to 85 if they lose a 2-3 key guys for much of the season, as you’d tend to expect from a roster this old.

        • EasternLeagueVeteran

          7 days ago

          Alvarez is pressing during Spring Training and showing his weaknesses. He needs time in AAA, and a good start to a AAA year woyld build the confidence for a later callup. I would be ok with Vientos as RH DH, for I don’t think he would do worse than Ruf. Peterson deserves a regular rotation spot and the Quintana injury supplies that. Megill would be next if one of the old guys go IL for any extended period. Good to see Locastro pushing for a spot. Love his speed. Abe Almonte will sit in Syracuse waiting to see if anyone goes down. The farm needs a replenishment of young starters, ala the Braves system.

        • Robrock30

          6 days ago

          JackStrawb,

          The 2023 New York Mets are sadly not the ’69 or ’86 Mets I grew up with loaded with gamers and phenoms. They are more of the same pretend/contend Wilpon variety with a higher price tag structurally flawed. They are lacking in high upside young SP and two way positional prospects. Why is it that most of their prospects can’t field a position & What has their minor league system been teaching them?

          I have been blessed with the best of everything in life and have learned from my mentor who I was named after (hint his nephew is the Gov of Illinois) to view decisions through the prism of risk/reward.

          These 2023 Mets are a high risk group with limited upside that appears more of a folly than a champion. Their FO has yet to prove that they have the ability to do the heavy lifting required to succeed.

      • Cohen's _Wallet

        7 days ago

        @ sfes

        Your talking too much logic, most don’t understand that language. Better to just let them have the moment.

        Reply
      • Reyordonézfanclub

        7 days ago

        Oh no Senga will be out until “whenever” not opening day lol

        Reply
    • cdouglas24000

      6 days ago

      And that Nimmo contract Jesus. Yes he takes walks and plays solid defense, but 160 plus for a guy that gives u .270/85 R/ 15 hr/65 rbis/ 5 sbs ???? That’s insane what his agent swiped out of the Mets.

      Reply
  6. Monkey’s Uncle

    7 days ago

    Another nice, quiet, under the radar off-season for the Mets…

    Reply
  7. icantstandyous

    7 days ago

    Eppler gets an F

    Reply
  8. RayKingsThickThighs

    7 days ago

    Solid 85 win team

    Reply
  9. justdadamaja

    7 days ago

    Im baffled.

    A team that has an owner worth 19B didn’t extend a single potential free-agent during the last ST or during the season…

    then instead of keeping Bassitt and Walker, who were relatively healthy for the past 2 years..

    they gamble on Sengai and Quintana…

    I’m just trying to wrap my head around this logic…

    Max – health risk
    Quintana – health risk
    Sengai – health risk
    Cookie – health risk

    3 pitchers they’ve let go in the past 2 seasons

    Stroman – relatively healthy
    Bassitt – ditto
    Walker – ditto

    Unless Kengai’s sole purpose is to recruit Ohtani, I dont get passing up Bassit/Walker for him

    They didnt even offer Walker a QO for christs sake…

    Then there is the issue of CF

    Nimmo has been unhealthy for most of his career.
    Nimmo also has zero arm in CF

    The Mets basically gave away the only CF in their system ( Mangum ) before they even signed Nimmo…

    Had Nimmo signed with another team, Mets would have nobody there.

    Some of their moves just made zero cents

    Reply
    • Tigers3232

      6 days ago

      @Justdad, what makes Scherzer an injury risk? The 23 starts he was limited to last season or the 27 starts in 2019??? Aside from shortened 2020 he had started 30 or more games every other season since 2009. So aside from 2020 he has started 23 or more games every season since being on a roster for his first opening day in 2009.

      People trying to portray Scerzer and Verlander as injury risks is absolutely laughable. Verlander’s Tommy John Surgery was only significant time missed by either of them. They have been absolute workhorses their entire careers.

      Reply
  10. VonPurpleHayes

    7 days ago

    They had significant holes and plugged them all. You can argue they didn’t improve much, but thet won 101 games last year; they don’t need to improve much. Great offseason IMO.

    Reply
    • MarlinsFanBase

      7 days ago

      @VonPurplkeHayes

      The problem with not improving is that the Braves have been a better team, and look like they are even better coming into this year. Then you have the Braves are younger too. The Phillies look to be tougher. The Marlins are young and an enigma that can be dangerous with the pitching staff – maybe not playoff dangerous, but speedbump dangerous, especially if their bullpen can somehow hold leads this year.

      Personally, I pick the Braves again because of talent and the ole rule of a team being the best until someone shows they aren’t. Braves are the class of our division, and all the media hype the Mets get hasn’t helped them beat the Braves…period…and it doesn’t look like it’ll happen this year either. And with the other possibilities and the age thing with the Mets, they could easily slip as low as 4th in the division this year.

      As much money as they spend on their roster, they are a flawed team…an overpaid, flawed team.

      Reply
      • VonPurpleHayes

        7 days ago

        I agree with much of this, but all teams are flawed. If you look at all the talent the Mets were poised to lose in Free Agency this offseason, it’s amazing they filled all those holes. They overpaid in many areas, and were forced to just eat a chunk of that McCann contract, but Cohen doesn’t care about losing money. I still think the Mets are amongst the best teams in all of baseball, unfortunately so are the Braves. I also think the defending NL Champions are one of the most improved teams in (on paper) in all of baseball. And, as you mentioned, the Marlins are significantly improved as well. So, winning the NLE is not going to be easy, but the Mets had a real challenge this offseason, and the fact that their roster is arguably better than the 2022 team means they passed that challenge.

        Reply
        • sfes

          7 days ago

          These arguments (von and marlinsfanbase) are basically on the mark. Yes there’s plenty of room for things to go bad. They are missing power. The NL East is a gauntlet and Sreve Cohens expensive band aids are a breath of fresh air after 41 years of watching them. I recall the detractors saying the same exact things last year. In fact fans of the same non NL East teams that don’t try to win at all were calling them “the most expensive 85 win team.” Then they went off.

        • sfes

          6 days ago

          I’m not exactly predicting a championship here, and trust me as a 41 year old Mets fan I’m as doom and gloom as they come… but they won 101 basically without degrom, and replaced him with the AL Cy Young winner… and are basically running it back with the same crew. The Phillies and Braves stunk in the 1st half last year… they probably won’t this year. There is definitely uncertainty in the rotation but they are attempting to emulate what LA did 10 years ago. Bump the payroll up nutty amounts to band aid the holes while the farm is rebuilt, and so far the results are 101 wins in the 2nd season of Cohen ownership with the farm in tact.

        • MarlinsFanBase

          6 days ago

          @sfes

          Fair statement about the 101 wins, but there’s one thing that can be a major factor – key pieces for the Mets are a year older. The term “a year older” has less positive meaning for the Mets than it does for the Braves and Phillies…and my aforementioned “speed bump”, the Marlins.

          Maybe the Mets can play like last year, but age can burn them too. And that’s before you look into the items you mention – the Braves and Phillies starting better…or say the Marlins bullpen finally holding leads that their starters hand to them. Even if the Mets age doesn’t show, these other factors in all likelihood reduce the win-totals in the division closer to what they were like in 2021. Facts are, what is the likelihood that you have two 100-win teams in the NL East again next year? I think the only team that may stay the course with win total from 2022 would be the Phillies with their 87 while the Braves and Mets very likely come down due to factors that weren’t there in 2022. In fact, you can say that 2022 was a little of an anomaly multiple ways – among one of the biggest ones with the two 100-win teams (hard as that is), you had the Braves play at a blistering pace run down the Mets from a big division lead while the Mets still maintained a winning record during the timeframe. Too many things to look at from 2022 that aren’t likely to happen again.

          But we’ll see. That’s why the games are played.

        • MarlinsFanBase

          6 days ago

          @VonPurpleHayes

          Agree to a certain degree. The thing for me is that maintaining their level and withstanding the roster changes/losses with replacements isn’t a big achievement to me when considering that Cohen can spend out of his mind. With that in place, maintaining talent level is pretty much a given. If this were the Pirates, Royals, Marlins, Rays that loss pieces and still maintained talent level, that to me would be commendable because they can’t spend out of their minds. But with a big market team, and a particularly big spender like this, it would be extreme incompetence if they couldn’t maintain…even if they loss all 26 men on the roster. Just my thoughts.

          But my main point wasn’t about that. My main thing is that, for a team that spends so much, they are flawed in a manner that one wouldn’t expect. They may be “one of the best teams”, but we all can agree that we aren’t betting on them over the Braves and wouldn’t rate them above the Astros or Dodgers. And it’s debatable if they’re even better than the Phillies, Padres, Yankees, Blue Jays and Cardinals…and perhaps even the Guardians and Rays (by functionality of these last two teams). For a team with their amount of spending, they should not be flawed like that or be questionable about their ranking like this.

          Just my opinion.

        • MarlinsFanBase

          6 days ago

          As for the thoughts I’ve seen now from multiple Mets fans that pretty much equate to the Mets spending on an expensive band-aid while developing their farm, I will point out two things of importance on not being sold on that.

          1 – While we’re not sure about some of the discussions of realignment and expansion, but it looks like realignment will happen to work both regionally for travel and financial competition. With that said, if that comes in any of the upcoming negotiations, by the time the Mets develop anything with their farm, they may be in a division with the Yankees, Red Sox, Blue Jays and/or Phillies, where financial advantage will not be a major factor.

          2 – The Mets have had a financial advantage over many teams for their team history, but they still have had a mostly poor history of mishandling prospects. And, from my observation, it isn’t solely a developmental problem when you have so many people come and go in the organization over the decades of this. From observation, the common factor that has been there has been the amount of pressure placed on many Mets prospects being labeled as guaranteed studs before they have truly proven themselves at the MLB for longer than a small sample. Any long term Mets fan can pick multiple names that fall under that statement there from Steve Chilcott to Tim Foli to Shawn Abner to Billy Beane to “Generation K” to Lastings Milledge to Fernando Martinez to Ike Davis to Wilmer Flores and many others, and leading to Francisco Alvarez. Can the Mets stop their PR team from creating the Hype Machine on their young players/prospects? This to me has been a big issue for Mets prospects for the most part. Yes, they’ve had some kids pan out, but they have far more epic failures than success. Most kid’s can’t handle that kind of pressure. How many 18 to 25 year-olds can handle the pressure of being guaranteed as great while he is learning how to compete against the other greatest baseball players in the world – the majority of them having proven themselves for years? In short, don’t assume money is going to fix the Mets farm system and history. The difference between them and the Dodgers is that the Dodgers don’t do this to their prospects, and the Dodgers had a long history of prospect success long before this deep pocketed ownership.

  11. dasit

    7 days ago

    they own the back page of the ny post
    that deserves an A

    Reply
  12. citizen

    7 days ago

    Is Alvarez overhyped that the mets have to spend close to $10mil not to have a catcher and 7.5 mil to have backup catcher starting?

    Reply
  13. angt222

    6 days ago

    Grade A for sure. Cohen and Eppler basically had a response signing/trade for every key player they lost in FA.

    Reply

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