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Giants Expect Decision From Giancarlo Stanton By End Of Week

By Jeff Todd | December 6, 2017 at 4:05pm CDT

4:05pm: John Shea of the San Francisco Chronicle spoke to Evans about the Giants’ recent meeting with Stanton. The GM states to Shea that Stanton “had a good feel for what he wanted to hear from us” and acknowledged that AT&T Park is one of his favorite places to play. Stanton was complimentary of the Giants’ fans and the way in which they support the team.

Though the process has dragged on for quite some time now, Evans reminds of the human side of what is a life-altering decision for Stanton: “There’s a lot of personal factors people don’t know about. We don’t necessarily know those personal factors as well.” Evans also, once again, confirmed that the two sides did reach an agreement, with contingencies, one of which (of course) is Stanton waiving his no-trade clause.

2:44pm: The Giants anticipate that Marlins star Giancarlo Stanton will decide whether to waive his no-trade clause by the end of the week, according to Alex Pavlovic of NBC Sports Bay Area (via Twitter), who does also note that the timeline is hardly set in stone.

Pavlovic also notes that San Francisco views the Dodgers as a bigger “threat” to land Stanton, not the Cardinals — the other team that has been most involved in trade talks to this point. Along those same lines, MLB.com’s Jon Morosi tweets that the Dodgers and Marlins were in contact as recently as Tuesday, though their Stanton discussions are still not advanced.

Giants GM Bobby Evans also acknowledged earlier today that the organization had a sit-down with Stanton, in an interview with KNBR (via John Shea of the San Francisco Chronicle, on Twitter). He also said that the team did put the terms of a deal in place with Miami in advance. Evans’ surprisingly candid comments run counter to yesterday’s comments from Marlins CEO Derek Jeter, who said in an appearance on WINZ-AM radio (link via the Associated Press) that his team is still “gathering information” and that “anything up to this point has been speculation.”

Whether or not a deal will come together in that time frame remains to be seen, of course. It’s conceivable that Stanton could simply decide he is not interested in waiving his no-trade clause at this point. But the report does hint that we could see resolution on the situation before the Winter Meetings, potentially freeing up other market movement — including the Marlins’ potential efforts to market other players and subsequent pivots to other targets for the Giants and Cardinals.

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Marlins Agree To Framework Of Giancarlo Stanton Deals With Cards, Giants

By Connor Byrne | December 3, 2017 at 10:14pm CDT

10:14pm: The 2-3 day timeline is “quite a hopeful estimate,” sources tell Jon Heyman of FanRag Sports.

5:47pm: The Stanton deal is expected to be wrapped up within the next 2-3 days, Craig Mish tweets.

4:41pm: The Cardinals are offering to take on more of Stanton’s money than the Giants, according to Craig Mish of MLB Network Radio on SiriusXM (Twitter link).

3:17pm: Neither the Cardinals nor Giants have set timetables for Stanton to make a decision, Bob Nightengale of USA Today tweets.

1:58pm: The Marlins have agreed to the “general framework” of Giancarlo Stanton trades with both the Cardinals and the Giants, Jon Morosi of MLB.com reports (Twitter links). Buster Olney of ESPN suggested earlier this week that was the case when the Stanton camp (him and agent Joel Wolfe) met with those clubs.

Whether a deal ultimately occurs with the Cardinals or Giants will depend on Stanton’s willingness to waive his no-trade clause to join either club, which looks far from certain. In fact, Jim Bowden of SiriusXM tweets that the Dodgers are the only team he’d agree to waive his no-trade rights for as of now. Bowden adds that the Giants would have a better chance than the “long shot” Cardinals of landing the right fielder if the Dodgers were to pass on acquiring him. A Stanton trade is not expected to come together Sunday, per Mark Feinsand of MLB.com (Twitter link).

The 27-year-old Stanton is a Los Angeles native who grew up rooting for the Dodgers, so his desire to join them more than anyone else isn’t surprising, especially when you consider their on-field success. Having never even played for a .500 team, let alone gone to the playoffs, since making his major league debut in 2010, Stanton made it clear during this past season that he’s tired of losing and wants to compete for championships. Stanton would likely get his wish to play meaningful baseball into the fall with the Dodgers, who are fresh off a National League-winning campaign, but Morosi reported earlier Sunday that the big-spending club is wary of the luxury-tax implications that would come with reeling in the NL MVP.

Stanton is due $295MM over the next decade, and while the Marlins could eat a large portion of that in order to maximize their return for the 59-home run man, Olney reported Saturday that Miami’s primary goal is to get Stanton’s money off the books. That would seemingly be a problem for the Dodgers, who will incur significant penalties if they run a mammoth payroll again in 2018. The Dodgers spent $237MM-plus in each of the past several seasons, and if it happens again next year, they’ll have to pay an extra 45 percent surcharge tax. Additionally, their top draft pick for 2018 (No. 30 overall) will drop 10 spots. Jason Martinez of MLBTR and Roster Resource currently estimates LA’s payroll for next season to open at $208MM-plus, but that’s obviously without factoring in Stanton or any other potential additions.

Meanwhile, although the Giants are already near the $197MM luxury tax for 2018 (they have upward of $190MM in payroll commitments), they’re reportedly willing to take on the majority of Stanton’s money if he’d waive his NTC to go to San Francisco. The Cardinals have far less money on the books for next year ($127MM-plus), but it’s unclear how much of Stanton’s money they’d add in a trade. Of course, along with the cash left on his deal, Stanton’s ability to opt out of the pact after the 2020 season has added another complication to trade talks between the Marlins and other teams. Despite the roadblocks, though,  the cost-cutting Marlins are seemingly in position to ship out Stanton if he green lights a move to St. Louis or San Francisco.

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Giancarlo Stanton Rumors: Sunday

By Connor Byrne | December 3, 2017 at 12:08pm CDT

In case you were unaware, Giancarlo Stanton is still on the Marlins. We’ll keep track of today’s rumblings on the National League MVP and trade candidate here…

  • The Red Sox are no longer involved in the Stanton race, per Craig Mish of MLB Network Radio on SiriusXM (Twitter link). A report on Wednesday indicated that Boston and Miami hadn’t discussed Stanton since the general managers meetings in mid-November, so the Red Sox’s apparent exit from the sweepstakes doesn’t come as a surprise.
  • While Stanton has personally met with the GMs for the Giants and Cardinals, the Los Angeles-born slugger is still waiting to see how serious the Dodgers’ interest is before he’s willing to completely embrace going to another team, according to Jon Morosi of MLB.com (Twitter links). However, the Dodgers and Marlins haven’t made any “substantial progress” in talks, Morosi adds, as LA is wary of the luxury-tax implications that would come with acquiring him. Meanwhile, both the Giants and Cardinals are still “in the dark” about whether Stanton would waive his no-trade clause to join them, Mish relays on Twitter.
  • San Francisco and Miami have reportedly discussed Giants outfield prospect Heliot Ramos; however, there’s “no indication” the Giants have actually offered Ramos to the Marlins, Henry Schulman of the San Francisco Chronicle tweets.
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Giancarlo Stanton Rumors: Saturday

By Kyle Downing | December 2, 2017 at 9:04pm CDT

Both the Cardinals and the Giants have recently been given permission to speak with NL MVP Giancarlo Stanton’s representatives. As we get deeper and deeper into the Stanton Saga, we’ll keep track of today’s rumors in this post.

  • Stanton was actually present with his lead representative, Joel Wolfe of Wasserman, at meetings with the Cardinals and Giants last week, according to Jon Heyman of FanRag. Both teams’ GMs attended those summits, adds Heyman, who suggests that Stanton’s presence shows he’s serious about joining either club. Indeed, neither the Cardinals nor Giants have been eliminated from the Stanton derby, Bob Nightengale of USA Today tweets.

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  • In a detailed piece, Heyman references a number of different anonymous sources in expressing skepticism that Stanton would approve a trade to St. Louis. Five different people close to Stanton apparently told Heyman that they believe he’d choose the Giants over the Cardinals if given a choice, and with a full no-trade clause on his side, Stanton has a big say in the matter. One of Heyman’s sources states that the West Coast would be the outfielder’s first choice, the East Coast would be his second choice, and the Midwest would be his last choice. Of course, as Heyman also notes, it’s worth mentioning that talks with St. Louis have progressed to a point at which their front office reps were invited to meet with Stanton’s camp; it seems unlikely that would happen if a trade to the Cardinals was a firm “no” from the reigning home run champ. According to another one of Heyman’s sources, the Marlins believe a trade agreement can be reached with the Giants. However, the Dodgers (who are reportedly Stanton’s first choice) are “not disinterested”. If that’s indeed the case, he could simply choose to wait out the trade process and hope L.A. and Miami can work out an agreement.
  • Buster Olney of ESPN reports via Twitter that the Marlins are more focused on moving as much of Stanton’s salary as possible than they are on maximizing their prospect return. As Derrick Gould of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch and Tim Healey of the Sun Sentinel both point out in their own tweets, this news is considerably in the Giants’ favor. The Cardinals have far more to offer in terms of prospects, but they don’t have a history of doling out enormous contracts to free agents. The Giants, on the other hand, are payroll juggernauts, and although they have nearly $190MM in payroll guarantees for 2018 already, that number could drop considerably next year with the potential departures of Hunter Pence and Denard Span. This doesn’t mean a deal with the Giants is imminent, but it does seem to make them a better trade partner for the Marlins.
  • Giants manager Bruce Bochy was apparently not present at the meeting between the San Francisco brass and Stanton’s representatives on Thursday, according to a tweet from Henry Schulman of the San Francisco Chronicle. It’s a fairly minor detail, but it does seem to decrease the likelihood that a trade is truly on the brink of taking place.
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Cardinals Will Meet With Giancarlo Stanton’s Representatives

By Jeff Todd | December 1, 2017 at 5:50pm CDT

The Cardinals have a meeting scheduled with representatives of star Marlins outfielder Giancarlo Stanton, according to Jon Morosi of MLB.com (Twitter links). The 2017 NL MVP, who is being shopped as the Marlins seek to trim payroll, has the ability to block any trade by virtue of his full no-trade rights.

Yesterday, Stanton’s reps sat down with the Giants’ brass, so it seems that at least these two organizations have obtained authorization from Miami to discuss their pursuit of Stanton directly with his camp. Tonight’s news rather clearly indicates that there is no deal in place with San Francisco, so it seems there’s still time for the situation to develop before Stanton ends up changing hands. (Of course, it’s also still possible that won’t come to pass.)

With respect to the Giants, there’s also no reason to believe they are out of the race. To the contrary, Clark Spencer of the Miami Herald tweets that Miami is still eyeing some of San Francisco’s young talent. He says the Marlins are looking specifically at top Giants prospect Heliot Ramos as well as righty Tyler Beede, first baseman Chris Shaw, and catcher Aramis Garcia — along with major league second bagger Joe Panik. That’s not to say that all of those players would be included in any prospective deal, of course; rather, it seems those are the names in play at the moment.

While it’s within the Marlins’ rights to allow other teams to speak with Stanton, it seems there are at least some parameters to be minded. Per ESPN.com’s Buster Olney, via Twitter, MLB rules require that the team “have a general understanding on trade terms.”

All things considered, this is rather an unusual state of affairs for a trade candidate. But in a year in which Shohei Otani has been recruited like a five-star high school athlete, perhaps it shouldn’t be surprising to see anther unique situation arise.

Certainly, Stanton is a fairly unique asset. Beyond the fact that there’s an opportunity to grab a 28-year-old player who is arguably the game’s preeminent power hitter, his contract creates quite some opportunity and risk. Stanton is owed another $295MM on his long-term deal but also has the right to opt out after three seasons.

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Giants Meet With Giancarlo Stanton’s Representatives

By Jeff Todd | November 30, 2017 at 10:42pm CDT

10:42pm: The meeting should not be read as an indication that a deal is about to go down, MLB.com’s Joe Frisaro cautions on Twitter. Rather, he says, “a trade is not considered imminent” and the Marlins “remain engaged with other clubs” regarding Stanton.

8:42pm: The Giants have sent executives to meet with representatives of star Marlins outfielder Giancarlo Stanton, according to Craig Mish of Sirius XM (Twitter links). It is not clear whether the meeting, which is said to be taking place in Los Angeles, will also include Stanton himself. Top organizational figures are on hand for the Giants, though,with president of baseball operations Brian Sabean, GM Bobby Evans, and skipper Bruce Bochy all trekking south.

Obviously, such a sit-down could only occur if the Marlins have authorized the discussion. In all likelihood, it seems, permission would only be given if the teams believed they could potentially finalize a deal involving Stanton, whose approval would be needed for any swap given his full no-trade rights.

Earlier today, Derrick Goold of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch discussed the parameters of possible interactions between Stanton and his pursuers. Of course, he was addressing the point in reference to the Cardinals’ efforts to land the star performer, and it’s not clear at this point whether the St. Louis organization will be afforded such an opportunity.

Throughout the offseason, rumors have surrounded the possibility of the Marlins dealing Stanton — their biggest star, and also the league’s highest-paid player. The west coast native is believed to prefer to play close to his Los Angeles home, but the hometown Dodgers have only operated at the fringes of the market thus far.

Some have suggested of late that the situation — which has seemingly backed into something of a stalemate since the end of the GM Meetings — could end up playing out more slowly. Both Stanton and the Marlins, perhaps, would prefer to see the Dodgers enter the fray. Or, perhaps, other organizations could join the Giants and Cardinals, the clear top two pursuers to this point.

There has been some discussion of possible trade scenarios between the teams, but on the whole it is not clear just what kind of package could be contemplated if the San Francisco brass can convince Stanton to join on. MLB.com’s Jon Morosi discussed a potential return for Stanton in an article earlier today, but also made clear that MLB.com had not confirmed that any of the rumored players had actually been formally offered or asked for. And others — such as Bob Nightengale of USA Today, on Twitter — have cast doubt on the idea that the true potential trade package has yet been stated publicly. There is, however, indication from some quarters that the Giants are willing to take on the bulk or even all of Stanton’s contract, as Jon Heyman of Fan Rag tweets.

With respect to the talks between Stanton’s representatives and his would-be new employers, it’s possible to imagine any number of topics being discussed. No doubt Stanton will be interested to learn more about the organization’s plans to return to contention after a disastrous 2017 campaign. As Nightengale notes in another tweet, though, it’s also possible there could be some contractual negotiations. Because Stanton would stand to take a hit to his bottom line by playing half his games in California, his representatives might conceivably request some kind of compensation.

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Market Chatter: Stanton, Colome, Minor, Cobb, Markakis

By Jeff Todd | November 29, 2017 at 2:41pm CDT

We heard somewhat varied reports yesterday on whether there was any real connection between the Red Sox and Marlins on Giancarlo Stanton. Today, there’s clear indication that the sides aren’t firmly engaged on the slugger: per Sean McAdam of the Boston Sports Journal (subscription link), the teams have not engaged on the matter since the GM Meetings. It certainly sounds as if Boston is not actively pursuing Stanton, though it’s always possible that could change if his market continues to drag — which remains a distinct possibility. MLB.com’s Jon Morosi tweets that the Marlins haven’t set any sort of deadline for teams to submit their best offers, so perhaps Boston could reengage if their reported talks for White Sox star Jose Abreu do not prove fruitful.

Here’s more chatter on the trade and free agent markets:

  • It seems the Rays are at least entertaining the possibility of dealing closer Alex Colome, per Morosi (Twitter link), with “active discussions” said to be ongoing with multiple rival organizations. The Cardinals have “sustained interest” in Colome — a connection we first heard about two weeks back. Colome’s less-than-dominant 2017 campaign has likely cabined his trade value somewhat, though teams will still no doubt see significant value in the hard-throwing, high-leverage reliever. MLBTR projects that Colome will earn $5.5MM in his first of three potential trips through arbitration.
  • The Astros can now be added to the list of teams with some interest in Mike Minor, according to a report from ESPN.com’s Buster Olney (Twitter link). Jake Kaplan of the Houston Chronicle previously explained that the southpaw would make for an interesting target for the ’Stros; we have also heard of prior interest from the Mets, who Olney also names. There’ll likely be quite a few other teams poking around on his market, too, after a high-quality season in which Minor bounced back from shoulder problems. As a lefty with a starter’s arsenal, Minor could be awfully handy on plenty of rosters, though his contractual upside will likely be limited by his health history.
  • Free agent righty Alex Cobb, meanwhile, still seems to be facing a fairly wide-open market. Marc Topkin of the Tampa Bay Times tweets that “a lot” of teams have interest, but that there’s “nothing close” to coming together at the moment. Quite a few organizations could end up having interest in Cobb, who certainly has some earning upside beyond the four-year, $48MM contract that MLBTR predicts he’ll land. Cobb turned down a qualifying offer from the Rays, so the draft compensation he’ll return to the organization will depend upon whether or not he’s able to surpass our best guess and earn a $50MM guarantee.
  • The Blue Jays held talks with the Braves regarding veteran outfielder Nick Markakis, Morosi tweets. But the chatter has “failed to advance” and it’s not clear whether the sides will pick things up. Markakis has continued to put up roughly league average offensive numbers, compensating for a lack of pop with solid on-base numbers, but isn’t much of a value on a $10.5MM salary. Presumably he’d have provided the Jays with a platoon piece for their outfield mix, but it stands to reason that the organization is looking to spend a bit less than that — particularly given that it has other, greater priorities.
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Passan: Broader Forces Driving Slow Free Agency

By Jeff Todd | November 29, 2017 at 11:10am CDT

In an important look at the state of free agency — this year and, perhaps, beyond — Jeff Passan of Yahoo Sports examines the underlying factors that have led to a stagnant player market thus far in the 2017-18 offseason. It is a must-read piece in its entirety.

Make no mistake: it has been stunningly quiet thus far. Just three players have signed onto 40-man rosters, with only one of those deals (between Doug Fister and the Rangers) involving even a modest guarantee. At this point last year, players such as Yoenis Cespedes, Josh Reddick, Kendrys Morales, Brett Cecil, Jason Castro, Eric Thames, Charlie Morton, Matt Joyce, and Sean Rodriguez had signed multi-year deals, with a few others inking larger one-year pacts than Fister’s. This year’s biggest trade thus far is likely the Ryon Healy–Emilio Pagan swap. In 2016, we had already seen trades centered around Jean Segura, Brian McCann, Cameron Maybin, Howie Kendrick, Pat Neshek, and other veterans.

Most broadly, Passan argues that front offices — now widely populated by similarly minded executives with significant analytical resources — have narrowing differences in player valuation and increasingly prefer not to build through the open market. Growing out of that executive trend, perhaps, is also an added recognition from teams that patience generally depresses prices in free agent negotiations. Enhanced discipline also allows teams to turn the new collective bargaining agreement’s luxury-tax penalties into what one agent describes to Passan as “significant salary depressors.” Meanwhile, he suggests, there’s a sense in some quarters that individual players are no longer quite as interested in gunning for top dollar.

These are all intriguing observations standing alone, but Passan is also able to support them with off-the-record quotes from upper-level executives. One general manager acknowledges that teams would “be stupid not to” cite the luxury tax line as a barrier in talks with free agents. The unnamed exec also stated that slowing the pursuit of free agents is strategic, explaining that players are “going to worry they won’t get a job and I’m going to get a discount.” In the final analysis, says one GM: “Teams are smarter. They know how terrible free agency is.” As MLBTR’s Tim Dierkes notes on Twitter, that’s perhaps also related to the fact that there are “fewer impulsive owners than ever.” These owners have not only assembled increasingly sophisticated front offices, but are perhaps more likely to listen to them than ever before.

Such broad structural factors are the true cause of what has thus far been a notably quiet signing season, argues Passan, not the fact that Giancarlo Stanton has yet to be traded or that Shohei Ohtani has yet to choose a destination (or be posted at all). If this particular year is special, Passan suggests, it’s because of greater-than-usual upheaval in the coaching and front office ranks.

Needless to say, there’s quite a lot to unpack and ponder here. With regard to the structural points, it’s worth emphasizing that agents that spoke with Yahoo also indicated they were pushing back by counseling patience in talks with their clients. That there’s a stalemate at present perhaps also indicates some resolve on the labor side. Passan says that teams may be looking to take advantage of smaller agencies, though certainly that seems to be a strategy that can be countered. And to the extent it has validity, it’s largely something that preexisted any other, recent changes.

What’s perhaps most interesting on the labor side is Passan’s argument that “some future stars prefer to hedge against both their own fallibility and the sport’s unpredictability” by seeking greater certainty rather than trying to drive the market northward in free agency. Perhaps that’s true to some extent, but this year’s group includes several players (Yu Darvish, Jake Arrieta, Eric Hosmer) that have seemingly spurned attempts by their prior organizations to work out long-term deals before they hit the open market. Of course, there are other significant players that aren’t available due to their own prior extensions.)

Beyond that, there’s a class of more recent mega-talents that has thus far foregone extensions — Francisco Lindor, Mookie Betts, Carlos Correa, Kris Bryant, etc. Some members of this group have even indicated their comfort with going year to year, with the presence of significant marketing opportunities helping to pad their accounts and reduce their risk even before arbitration. The general popularity of the game thus also serves to buttress those stars’ bargaining power. Analytical work generally suggests that aging curves have trended younger. On the one hand, that harms older free agents. On the other, it also suggests that teams will and should be more and more willing to promote prospects at earlier ages — a strategy that’s all the more appealing since it means realizing value from amateur investments and reducing reliance on major free agent outlays. But to the extent that comes to pass, those players’ service clocks will also start sooner, meaning they’ll likely reach the open market sooner than like players did in the past.

Indeed, this time next year, Bryce Harper and Manny Machado will each be available to the high bidder (barring an intervening extension) at just 26 years of age. Both are expected to land enormous contracts. That hints at one way in which a broader shift may settle out. As Passan rightly notes, next winter’s free agent period may provide “the best litmus test of free agency yet.”

But is it really the case that unique factors in this winter’s player market aren’t at least helping to cause the current delay? The coaching/front office “job shuffle,” as Passan calls it, may well have had some effect, though it’s also hard to imagine that modern front offices would truly be so distracted that they might be missing opportunities at achieving value. On the player side, though, there’s cause to push back somewhat on the notion that the looming presences of Stanton and Ohtani aren’t significant factors. Passan does cite a GM’s opinion in direct support of that point, but from an outside perspective, it stands to reason that both could be delaying things — as Masahiro Tanaka once did in a somewhat analogous manner.

Stanton is legitimately better, younger, and more expensive than any of this winter’s free agents and the Marlins very nearly have to trade him. Talks are complicated by many factors, including his full no-trade rights and opt-out clause. While only a few organization seem truly engaged on Stanton, those that miss on him would be major potential suitors for the top free agent hitters. And Stanton’s own preferences could conceivably force the Marlins to engage with other teams — possibly creating value opportunities that would be foreclosed by the pursuit of open-market alternatives. It also seems that organization is waiting to discuss its best affordable talent — Marcell Ozuna, Christian Yelich, J.T. Realmuto — until it has exhausted its options on Stanton. Those players would draw huge interest from any number of teams.

As for Ohtani, it’s true that he could simply slot into any organization’s payroll and roster given his absurdly low price, but teams that feel they have a legitimate shot to land him may prefer to see that process out before committing huge money to a free agent. One executive calls Ohtani a “$200 million Powerball in a 30-person town.” Given those odds and that payout, it makes sense that at least some organizations might forego the chase for a major starter — or perhaps even a lesser investment in a DH option — while waiting to see if they hit it big. The Ohtani opportunity is, from one perspective, simply a potential bonus. From another, it’s a strategy-altering possibility that might actually incentivize additional investment; whatever team lands Ohtani may then feel it has the available resources and increased likelihood of contention that justify moves in other areas. (Credit on that interesting point to Dierkes.)

Of course, there are limits to any Stanton/Ohtani explanation. For example, it’s hard to draw any line between their situations and the market for sub-elite relievers, which has not yet moved at all. No matter the true impact of those individual situations, there’s clearly some real merit to Passan’s overall points regarding the underlying structural movement afoot in the game. But it’s still quite difficult to know just what to make of them. There are many possible counter-effects that could come to pass, some of which are noted above, and broader trends that will need to be considered as well. Any market changes, after all, create opportunities to take advantage of any slight inefficiencies that might arise. Perhaps, in the end, this is in part a feeling-out period under the new CBA and in part an adjustment to some other trends.

Regardless, as we wait for the dam to break, it seems the building of tension has created the potential for quite a notable offeason — though we may have to wait a while longer to observe it and begin to assess its full meaning. With virtually all of this year’s free agent class stuck in neutral entering the month of December, it seems there could be something of a broader staring contest, making for a potentially fascinating situation with the Winter Meetings looming.

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Giancarlo Stanton Notes: Tuesday

By Jeff Todd | November 28, 2017 at 5:45pm CDT

MLBTR’s Kyle Downing recently rounded up everything we have learned this offseason about the Marlins’ marketing of star slugger Giancarlo Stanton. But there have been developments over the past few days … some of which are in some tension, perhaps reflecting different viewpoints from the actors involved in the high-stakes negotiations.

  • Derrick Goold of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch explains that if the two sides get close to a deal, the Marlins could grant the Cardinals an exclusive negotiation window of roughly 48 to 72 hours to make a pitch directly to Stanton. While MLB clubs are typically forbidden from talking to players that are under contract with another team, Goold confirmed with MLB officials that the Marlins could designate a window to “convince a player to waive his no-trade (clause) without contract modification.”
  • Meanwhile, Clark Spencer of the Miami Herald reports that the Marlins told Stanton back in October that if he declined to ultimately approve a deal, the Marlins would have to explore other ways to shed salary, which could leave him as the lone star on a roster devoid of other top-tier talent. The scenario wasn’t presented to Stanton as an ultimatum, Spencer stresses, but it does underscore the possibility that the Marlins could eventually pivot and market less challenging stars, including Marcell Ozuna and Christian Yelich.
  • The Red Sox are an “extreme long shot” to acquire Stanton, a source tells Evan Drellich of NBC Sports Boston. It seems that Boston is not enamored of the current value proposition that a Stanton acquisition would represent, given the Marlins’ asking price.

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  • Yesterday, we heard indications both that Stanton had informed the Marlins of where he’d approve a trade and that there was a general expectation that resolution could be in sight. But the latest report, a subscription piece from Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic, has a different twist on those themes. Rosenthal explains that a deal may not come together quite as promptly as might have been expected, writing that both Stanton and the team can afford some patience. Notably, per the report, that’s reflected in Stanton’s stance on his full no-trade rights. Per Rosenthal, Stanton hasn’t simply given Miami a list of yays or nays; rather, he has told them of his “preferences” but would like to know the “overall plans” of a potential acquiring team before approving or nixing any move.
  • We already know that the Giants and Cardinals have made initial proposals to the Marlins for Stanton. One other team is “engaged” with the Marlins on Stanton, says Rosenthal, with the Red Sox believed to be the last member of that trio. That said, Boston was only recently reported to have only “tepid” interest in Stanton.
  • Per Rosenthal, there are another three unknown organizations “on the periphery.” But there’s still no clear indication of what other teams may be loitering around the edges of the Stanton market. Speculation has rather naturally centered upon the Dodgers, given Stanton’s strong ties to Los Angeles. As ESPN.com’s Buster Olney recently wrote (subscription link), Stanton has every right to stand on any personal preference — if, say, he’s mostly interested in playing for the Dodgers. Then again, as Bob Nightengale of USA Today reminds us on Twitter, the L.A. brass has given rather strong signals that it isn’t looking to add that kind of contractual commitment. In his piece, Rosenthal wonders whether there are some ways around that stance, though none seem to be particularly feasible and clear connections between the organizations are lacking at present.
  • The Dodgers were among the teams we identified a few weeks back as being good fits on paper, though of course there are also cases to be made for quite a few more, as we explored in detail. That post is still worth a read if you haven’t checked it out yet. Those looking for more information on the game’s most interesting trade candidate should also give a look at this Statcast-based assessment from MLB.com’s Mike Petriello, who examines how Stanton’s homer tally might be impacted by a new home ballpark.
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Giancarlo Stanton Trade Rumors: Monday

By Steve Adams | November 27, 2017 at 2:49pm CDT

The Giancarlo Stanton trade saga has been one of the top storylines of the offseason, and there’s no end in sight at the time being. To date, the Cardinals and Giants have reportedly submitted formal offers, while the Dodgers and Red Sox have also been linked to the slugger.

We’ll track today’s developments on the Stanton front right here:

  • ESPN’s Jerry Crasnick reports that other clubs have gotten the sense that there’ll be resolution on the Stanton talks one way or another by the time the Winter Meetings kick off on Dec. 10 (all Twitter links). That is to say, the Marlins will either have traded him by that point or interested parties will have exhausted their patience and begun to explore other possibilities on the trade and free-agent markets. Crasnick also notes that while the Cardinals and Giants are the most-cited suitors, there are other clubs that are in active pursuit of Stanton.

Earlier Updates

  • Jon Morosi of MLB.com reports that Stanton has given the Marlins a list of teams to which he’d accept a trade, and the Dodgers are among those teams (all links to Twitter). Per Morosi, the Dodgers and Marlins have discussed some Stanton trade scenarios, but the Giants and Cardinals have shown more focused interest in Stanton. Some teams interested in Stanton feel the Dodgers are his top choice, which could slow negotiations as Stanton could veto any deal until knowing for certain that the Dodgers don’t plan on making a move for him. At this point, however, Stanton has not rejected any trades, according to Morosi.
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