Bill Hall Hopes For Trade

Totally out on a limb, but what about Khalil Greene to the Brewers for Hall and Tony Gwynn Jr.?

You may have to throw a prospect going back to the Brewers also, but Greene is in need of a change, the Pads could use the power along with a long term center fielder, and the PR boom would be huge for a team with slumping attendance.

Just a thought....

On behalf of all Reds fans, get Bill Hall out of the NL Central and the NL all together!

The perfect fix would be the Giants.

I think a Hall and Gwynn acquisition would be just what the doctor ordered in San Diego. It certainly would restore some of my faith in the direction of the team. Yet, realistically, I can't figure out why they would want Greene. Isn't Hardy and Weeks the middle infield of the future in Brew Town? Now, if they could get those guys for something else (don't ask me who specifically...), they could then peddle Greene to someone else. This would deserve some further thought...

The Marlins? Cantu is playing terribly and not putting up great offensive numbers, McPherson is still K'ing too much in the minors. If they're willing to eat some salary...

Erbacaine, i would love for your deal to happen, but i highly doubt that the brewcrew give up that kind of talent for Maddog, maybe one or the other...maybe.

I think a deal with the Padres would have to include one of our young catchers, since i believe (not sure) that is one of their needs. So something like this:

Padres get:
Hall
Gwynn

Brewers get:
Maddux
Hundley or Canham
+ pitching Prospect

And thats at the very least. Honestly i would rather simply have Hall since if we decide to trade Greene we could use him at SS.

Well, the thing about trying to trade a light-hitting middle infielder is that you can always give a quick call to Jim Hendry.

In the first scenario proposed, that is. Maddux...more possible.

LOL, leave it to erbacaine to get it wrong. How's that Manny Parra for ROY campaign going? Soto got lucky last September? Marmol was a one-year wonder? Hahaha, oh yeah for my insider baseball analysis, I always turn to erbacaine.

Back in baseball reality, the Padres have Kevin Kouzmanoff and Chase Headley for 3B prospects. On top of that, they are trying to save money so they don't get outbid again like they did on Fukudome. Oh yeah, he was suppose to suck too, right erac? What a season!

Minneapolis is nice this time of year. The Twins need a bat and help on that side of the diamond. And prospects galore and a few decent major league middle relievers that are out of options...

Brian Sabean, just in case you're reading this post, it's not actually a good deal. Just trying to help...

Cashman better be on WHAT?! Who are you going to sit, (your broken catcher who has 4 years on his new deal and can't catch everyday anymore) Posada, (1/2 of your future) Melky, (your most productive hitter) Matsui, (your next most productive hitter) Damon, the (31MM-man) Pay-Rod, (Mr. Yankee) Jeter, (the other 1/2 of your future) Cano, (80% of your left-handed power) Giambi, or (your best defensive outfielder and except for Alex, probably your best all around player) Abreu?!

Yeah, that would be stupid since he's not hitting well you can't just take someone else out of the lineup. Also, to take on his deal and to bring him in for that kind of money only to get 100-150 PAs between now and October, and this is what's wrong with the Yankees.

Plus who are you going to trade for him?! You just moved your setup man to your rotation, so clearly you can't do anything with a rotation piece or Joba wouldn't have been moved and you can't deal a reliever because you just weakened yourself there and your outfielders are all 1 dimensional defenders who can't play 3B, SS, 2B, and your infielders are untradeable or untouchable, Posada included.

There will be no dealing for the Yankees unless they empty their minor leagues. Sexson and Washburn are two tough pills to swallow, but they look like placebos compared to the Yankee contracts. Oh and forget Ensburg, he doesn't have ANY trade value, the Brewers will wait until he clears and then sign him to play 3B, so they can deal Hall.

Marlins fan! Cantu is doing perfectly fine, considering Hall made Jorge's 2008 salary in April alone and Cantu is hitting a-solid-day-at-the-plate shy of the league average and at a position where many players have struggled this year. Plus the Marlins are winning, why screw with the chemistry of the club?

As for an overall good fit, it has to be a team that's offensively struggling and preferably has an outfield slot to fill as Hall is only adequate at SS and maybe 2B, but since he came up with Weeks, he's definitely not had the chance to much work over there.

My guess would be the Padres, but they are about to firesale, so I can't see them reloading the payroll when the point of a firesale is to clear out all the guys playing like Hall in order to save money. So if Peavy wasn't on the DL and they had 10 more wins, then this would be a good fit.

Obviously everyone in SF is joking about him being a good fit for the Giants and I tend to agree. He'd probably not do so hot if he doesn't have somebody behind him to keep him the other team honest and with a lack of lefties in even the non-roided Bonds facsimile, they could throw righties at him all day long and that's not going to help him.

On the bright side, there's an easy fix for righties who can't hit righties, same reason why certain lefties kill left handed pitching. You bat with an open stance. Hall just needs to go open more and he'll hit righties better, so technically if the hitting coach can figure this out, the team could get a 30+ HR player gift wrapped in a trade!

I think there's a great trade fit in Seattle BECAUSE the Mariners HAVE to WIN NOW!! They banked on keeping Bedard when they made the deal and Erik won't sign a long term deal until he sees the post-season. Call it a hunch. I think Hall just needs a change of scenery and Pentland fixed Sexson's stance and it already paid dividends as he was able to go 1 for 2 even after sitting a week and against one of the best pitchers in baseball this year, Ervin Santana.

Plus the Mariners want to peddle their wears on someone else and that means taking on a bad contract. With the length and the money involved in the deal, Seattle is the best situated to handle that kind of money coming in since most clubs in their payroll range wouldn't take on a player who's struggling. They could probably get him for nothing if they take on the whole contract.

I think they might even have the ability to send Sexson to Milwaukee in the deal and only have to pay the difference of Richie's remaining contract with eating all of Hall's deal. Sexson can give Fielder a day off against tough lefties, also playing 1st in AL ballparks so Fielder can DH, mix in at 3B as it's no different than 1st, just twice as many ground balls and he'd probably be better defensively than Hall, and he can play the corner outfield positions as well, plus PH in the right situations against lefties late in the game!

(Sexson is hitting .333 with 3 HR in only 33 AB)

TO MILWAUKEE

Richie Sexson $3MM
Jarrod Washburn $9MM
Justin Thomas LHP (Top 10 M's Pitching Prospect)
Miguel Cairo IF

TO SEATTLE

Bill Hall
Seth McClung

THE MARINERS

lineup

Ichiro Suzuki CF
Jose Lopez 2B
Adrian Beltre 3B
Raul Ibanez 1B
Bill Hall LF
Kenji Johjima C
Jeff Clement DH
Jeremy Reed/Wlad Balentien RF
Yuniesky Betancourt SS

bench

Jamie Burke C
Jose Vidro PH
Willie Bloomquist UTL
Wlad Balentien/Jeremy Reed OF

rotation

Felix Hernandez RHP
Erik Bedard LHP
Carlos Silva RHP
Brandon Morrow RHP
R.A. Dickey RHP

bullpen

J.J. Putz RHCP
Miguel Batista RHSU
Ryan Rowland-Smith LHSU
Mark Lowe RHP
Arthur Rhodes LHP
Sean Green RHP
Seth McClung RHLR

You throw in Washburn who's from WI and could DEFINITELY use a change of scenery! He's been talking about going towards the midwest after this deal, coded as "As I get older, I'm thinking more and more about my family. I miss my farm in WI more and more! Seattle's great and I love hunting in the NW, BUT I still miss WI a lot."

So ship his ass to Milwaukee to give them another lefty in the mix with Capuano an offseason away from being released and we all know Jarrod's MUCH BETTER than his current ERA and Seattle would probably kick in half of the money left on the deal, but it clears room in the rotation for a promotion of Feierabend or a move of Morrow or Dickey to the rotation.

Preferably I'd move Batista to the bullpen and make him the setup guy for Putz, trade Washburn, then move Dickey and Morrow into the rotation a la Joba style. Dickey could just take over the 5th spot in the rotation immediately and Morrow could start the game and add to his pitch count, with Batista pitching the second half of the game and they could both throw out of the bullpen on their throw days. Move Morrow up to 3rd in the rotation and Silva down to 4th and you have a tough, tough rotation in Seattle. It's best for Morrow long term, it's best for Seattle long term, and trading for Hall could make it possible!

I could see him going to the O's. It would give them the chance to move Mora and have a solid replacement for him. With the O's they'd have the patience to play him regularly and leave him be to become the hitter he can/should be.

Um for your Information Hall does not just play 3rd base so he would not be blocking Kouz or Headly... he can play SS, play 2nd base... he has played LF and by the end of last season was a pretty decent CFer

Now for Maddux... first of all Maddux would LOVE to play for the Brewers, he likes Yost from his Atlanta days... and Greg's brother Mike is the Brewers Pitching Coach.

Also Maddux would be the Brewers 4th starter...

and I still see the Brewers trading some of their Double A bats for a good #2 pitcher(harden,Burnett, Daniel Cabera)

Hell with this Hall problem... would love to see the Brewers try and get Teahan and Grienke from the Royals(laporta and Hall)
OR if Harden and Chavez are healthy then trade for them

Brewers have plenty of Bats in Double A
Laporta-OF/1b
Gamel-3rd/OF/1b
Escobar- SS
Gillispe-OF
Salome- Catcher

To the gentleman who suggested the Brewers give up Hall & McClung for Sexson & Washburn ... YOU'VE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME.

Getting Sexson back would take some of the edge off of the notably-lopsided, unequivocally-awesome "Sexson To Arizona" trade that occurred earlier this decade. Besides, why would Prince need a day off versus LHP? Obviously you've never seen him hit against LHP, or anyone for that matter.

The Brewers might have had interest in Washburn after 2003 when his stock had some value. Not anymore. That guy is not the answer. It'd be great to get a Wisconsin boy on our team, but he stinks.

Two words: Cleveland Indians.

Hall is just the kind of signing that Shapiro likes: cheap, long-term, and lots of upside.

The other thing a Hall signing might do for the Tribe is give them more latitude in pursuit of a big outfield bat (read: Holliday or Bay). Hall would come for a relative song (AAA reliever and an everday prospect or two).

Not sure he's a huge upgrade over Casey Blake, but given how the Tribe's been hitting lately, they could probably use any injection of new blood.

How about the Dodgers or the Red Sox? The Dodgers want to acquire a middle IF to fill in for Furcal... Julio Lugo is doing nothing for Boston, Hall could play SS there. He had his best year hitting (.270 with 35 HRs) playing SS. Boston also has enough starting pitching to make a trade that matches up with the Brewers' needs, with Buchholz being sent down.

Lots of great ideas here! I was thinking the Dodgers too, but I like the San Diego scenarios presented.

"Grienke from the Royals(laporta and Hall)"

Say this is a joke! For KC to part with Grienke, it would take something along the lines of Braun and Fielder as a starting point. Ridiculous, I know, but they would be foolish not to lock him up after this year.

"Say this is a joke! For KC to part with Grienke, it would take something along the lines of Braun and Fielder as a starting point."

No sir, please tell me THAT is a joke. Greinke of lifetime 4.39 ERA and history of mental health issues? For Braun AND Fielder? Give me a break. Grienke couldn't sniff Braun OR Fielder. I'm a Giants fan and I wouldn't dream of Braun AND Fielder for Lincecum and Grienke can't sniff Lincecum's jock. Get a grip please.

All I know is that he was killing my fantasy team so badly, I had to let him go.

He wants to play every day, but he just hasn't been producing well enough to earn it, so he needs to go to some non-contending team where they won't mind so much. SF or Baltimore make sense, and the Brewers could get a low-lvl prospect or three back for him. Maybe a bullpen arm.

Actually, now that I think about it, I would love to see my O's engage in trade discussions with the Brewers... I wonder if something could be worked out? Seems like Milwaukee needs pitching, first and foremost- starting and relief.

Just a thought (Brewers fans; a little feedback...)

George Sherrill
Brian Burres

FOR

Mat Gamel
Cole Gillespie
Mark Rogers
Zach Braddock

The Brewers get a southpaw starting pitcher under team control until 2013- covering this injury-plagued year and setting up the rotation long-term when Gallardo returns and Parra's a bit more of a threat. Plus, they SIGNIFICANTLY bolster their bullpen with a beast closer in Sherrill and a top veteran setup man with a 3.12 ERA and 7 holds on the year, who NEVER gives up HRs.

The O's get a top offensive prospect in Gamel (doesn't hurt MIL, since Gamel's an atrocious defender and the NL has no DH, where he fits, AND the Brewers are loaded when it comes to their corner slots) as their future DH as well as a few decent secondary prospects in arms Braddock and the always hurt, but ever-intriguing Rogers, and Gillespie, a decent bat. Whaddya think?

There is NO WAY in hell that the Brewers are going to give up Gamel (hitting .382 right now in AA) and Gillespie (big potential) AND 2 of their best pitching prospects for a setup guy and a #5 starter. Absolutely no way.

this should be a no-brainer. the mets. he fills out the supersub role perfectly.

Well, I might as well throw out there the Mets....

Lord knows they've been rumored with every Right Handed Bat that is remotely decent for about 6 months now. Hall brings alot of positional flexability so they could find plenty of playing time for him when Alou is out, or Castillo is out, or maybe even at First Base to Platoon with Delgado, or just finally giving David Wright and Jose Reyes a day off.

And since he's demanded a trade he shouldn't cost an arm and a leg. I'm thinking swapping Heilman, who could pitch in either the Rotation or the Bullpen...depending on what they term as the bigger need. They seem to like reclamation projects for the bullpen anyways ;)

wow, i just had to lol at this comment, buried in a huge diatribe while saying sexton could play 3B some...

"mix in at 3B as it's no different than 1st"

yeah... cuz any decent 1B could easily play 3B. that's why it happens all the time.

i think you have the direction mixed up. any 3B could play 1B, but the converse is not true.

MrQuestions-

Since you were the only respondant...

The way you put it, I guess it doesn't sound like a feasible deal, though I think you're (predictably) painting a skewed picture... WAAAAY overvaluing everyone on the Milwaukee side but Gamel- none are considered top prospects, particularly the pitchers- while undervaluing the O's guys (Sherrill's a setup guy? Tell the rest of the league that; despite playing on a crappy team, he's second in the league in saves). Gamel, himself, has limited value in the NL due to his defense (it's funny how people forget how important defense really is). He belongs in the AL where he can play DH.

That said, you're probably right...to an extent. I may have underbid, as it were.

...So I'll up the ante.

Jeremy Guthrie
George Sherrill

FOR

Mat Gamel/Matt LaPorta (you're choice)
Alcides Escobar/Cole Gillespie (take your pick)
Braddock, Rogers, Jeremy Jeffress, Cody Scarpetta, RJ Seidel, Nick Tyson, Alexandre Periard (2 of)

Brewers get young-ish; long-term controlled, No. 2/3 (2 on stuff and, more and more, on performance) RH'er to slot in behind Sheets and Gallardo as a helluva good future front-line and behind Sheets this year (minus Gallardo as a nice 1-2 punch to perhaps ignite something, AND a top closer to hold leads (something they've...struggled a bit with). Both can help a bunch this year, but are also locked in long-term on the cheap. Are you going to tell me there's NO CHANCE IN HELL on that one?

Julio Lugo is doing nothing for Boston, Hall could play SS there. He had his best year hitting (.270 with 35 HRs) playing SS. Boston also has enough starting pitching to make a trade that matches up with the Brewers' needs, with Buchholz being sent down.

Posted by: MrQuestions | June 03, 2008 at 08:48 AM

what would the redsox want Hall for? i could see it if Papi's out for the year. put him in left, and get Lowrie into the lineup. but that'd be the only scenario i could see it working in.

In response to the O's trade... Mark Rogers no matter his injury concern is still a top prospect..
in fact guys like Neyer and Callis have said that all Rogers has to do to get back into the top 50 ranking for prospects is to prove that he is Healthy for a full year... He has been throwing great so far he is still building up his arm strength in Extended Spring Training and should be in either High A or Double A in the 2nd half of the season.

Gamel does offer the Brewers some wiggle room...if they want to trade Prince in the next year or 2 then they can move him over to First base and Keep Laporta in the OF, with Hart and Braun

I wonder though from an O's standpoint what would it take to get Daniel Cabera(he has finally had a good first half) was always a highly touted prospect that Never really panned out

Personally with the Prospects the Brewers have and them having 6 pickes in the first 62 picks of the draft I would like to see them trade some top prospects for a good young pitcher that can be controlled for a few years and that has shown something...
I know these guys would be expensive but a guy like Cain, Lineceum, Grienke...

I mean they have 6 picks to rebuild the farm system with and thats just the first 2 rounds

I dont want them to touch Jeffress though because a 20 year old SP that hits 100 mph and has finally added 2 other decent pitches...he just needs to stay away from the Drugs

I think that Hall would be a great fit with the Twins. They're on their 3rd SS of the year with the offensively challenged Nick Punto. Hall could bring stability their and some much needed power for their lineup.

The Twins are currently carrying carrying 13 pitchers, all of which are out of options and are looking to dump either Juan Rincon, Boof Bonser, or Brian Bass. They also have very good CF depth in their system who are all blocked by Carlos Gomez and i good young Catcher in Jose Morales who is blocked by Joe Mauer.

SanDiegoGuy suggest hall and Gwynn for K. green. I'm not sure about throw-in on that deal, but it does make some sense.
JJ Hardy is projected long-term as a 3B, and we all know that SD has wanted gwynn since his draft day.
The only hang-ups are: SD is probably looking for someone younger and cheaper, and Milwaukee is also looking for SP. If you can work maddux into the deal then we might have a winner

baseballguru,
I dont see Sexson coming back to milwaukee unless the crew trades fielder and needs a stop-gap to Laporta at 1B.

Despite fielder's .235 avg vs lefties, 5 of his 10 HRs this season have been vs lefties.