Stark On Royals, Phillies, Holliday

The Braves would be fools to deal escobar away to any trade less than equal value. and they do not need anymore rental players! shouldve signed mark T. and francoeur has zero value so i see why they wanna trade him. even tho he's getting a little better his value is still nill at best. might get a kfc dinner for him and thats only because of his arm. Braves need a right feilder than can hit simple. prado is doing a great job at second but knowing bobby he'll put kelly back in. (dumb decision by the way)

yeah agreed willingham would be a nice upgrade it'd be nice if they could some how platoon diaz and frenchy because bobby plainly loves anderson in left. diaz deserves a little more playing time at the least

"The Mets were never willing to move Bobby Parnell or other top young arms for Mark DeRosa, so they weren't as close to acquiring him as the Reds and Cubs were. The Phillies, Marlins and Giants were also in the mix."

OMG, who were we offering?

I find it hard to believe we could match up with a Perez and PTBNL rumored to possibly be Todd unless we were willing to chop the top off our system. Doing that for a player we dumped for 3 bottom tier prospects only months ago? Seeing this sentence alone make me kind of angry thinking about what we might have been willing to do.

Oh, new Escobar mention! Time for me to once again toss out my idea, lol.

Escobar
Francoeur
Pitching Prospect

Choo
Peralta

Get it done Atlanta and Cleveland! As an outsider, this is the trade I am dying to see.

i really dont think escobar is on the trading block unless the braves get an offer they cant refuse.

The Braves are fools for even considering trading Yunel Escobar.

Can the A's really ask for two prospects with huge upside for Holliday? I mean isn't that return based more off of past history and what they gave up rather than fair market value for a guy who's currently @ .275/.373 w/ 8 hr and 40 rbi? Holliday is a rental and just based off of what he might do over the next 3 months wouldn't Dye, Branyan, Thome, Huff and A. JOnes be better value trade candidates? Obviously player position and defense would come into play and distinguish one players appeal from other but still. Aren't the A's in danger of pricing themselves out of the market?

ESPN is an abortion! Ken Rosenthal belongs on that network with his horseshit trade rumors and all his supposed facts polluted by his opinions. Matt Kemp for Robinson Canoe right Kenny. Sounds like a yankee fan wishing!

Posted by: MattsdodgersSD | July 03, 2009 at 01:41 PM

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????? ......maybe an "abomination"?

Atlanta needs to trade for a hitting coach. The idea that they give away Francouer when His swing got corrected in a couple of weeks of work this winter away from Braves coaching. Can we think of anyone else swing who got ruined recently in Atlanta? Shafer, A. Jones et al. The only guys who don't get messed up there are guys who have their own pitching coaches. Chipper(Dad), Yunel(doesn't speak English) and McCann(Dad)

While being great talents, neither Cashner nor Jackson meet what the Indians were rumored to be looking for (ready to help, impact arms – with the ready to help part stressed). They haven’t had true success above A ball, and only Jackson has even been to AA. Because of that, and if the PTBNL is what is being talked about talent wise, I can imagine it would possibly have to be both being offered.

We just have too big a drop off after those guys, and Cleveland was targeting almost exclusively arms. I really do just cringe to think what we might have been willing to do to bring back someone we gave away.

“As a braves fan, I like the idea of acquiring Choo who is under team control for a few more years. The thing I'm worried about is if he has to go serve in the Korean military.”

Been paying some attention because of my fantasy team. And I could be wrong, but I believe his having a job in the majors was enough to make that concern go away. I thought we heard the last year and a half or so was the time in which he would have been taken, if he ever was to be forced to go. Anyone have more info?

Braves give:
Jorden Schafer
Jeff Francour
Brandon Jones

Braves get:
Matt Holliday

Holliday is a RENTAL. You do not give up a blue chip 5 tool prospect like Schafer for a 2 month rental.

"Escobar
Francoeur
Pitching Prospect

Choo
Peralta"

Why the hell would the Indians trade Choo? And for Escobar (newsflash Tribe has Asdrubal Cabrera) and Francoeur (who flat out blows). Then the Indians should just throw in Peralta too for some reason...

Unless that "pitching prospect" is Hanson, your trade proposal is complete idiocy.

So a decent fielding/hitting SS (Lowrie), a potential front of the rotation starter (Buccholz) AND a power bullpen arem/potential closer (Bard) for a soon to be 27 year old SS who hits about .295/.355 w/ about 10-15 hrs? That's it? That's all you want? No 1st born child? You're selling low.

Choo is a 120 OPS+ bat with below average defense in RF and 3-4 years of control
Escobar is a 110 OPS+ bat with above average Def at Short and 4 years of control
No matter what side you want to argue, the value is close. Escobar easily gets the nod in my mind since short is so hard to fill.

Peralta would be bringing you Francoeur and a pitching prospect, or maybe just his weight in prospect arms, or maybe Fancoeur and two prospects - it is always open to play. But Peralta has 2 years at 11.6 Million left on his deal. (or one, 4.85 million if option not picked up). Francoeur is on a 1/3.75 deal with 2 years of control left if you even wanted to keep him after 09. Either way, you saved quite a bit of cash. You made an improvement, both now and for the future at SS, and since middle infield is a weakness in your system, you would no longer have to think about it at all with the middle infield being set for years between Escobar and Cabrera at 2B.

Skip to 2011. Peralta would be gone either way, and you don’t have a middle infielder to replace him. Which do you think is easier to find off the FA market, or even from within, a SS/2B or a corner OF? Having Cabrera, Escobar and Chisenhall manning 2nd to 3rd with Sizemore in center and Santana behind the plate would cover every hard to fill position on the field with plus players. (well, I question Cabrera being a plus, but whatever) Add in LaPorta and only a single OF, a1B, and a DH (if not Hafner) would need to be thought of over the next 2.5 years. Weglarz, Brantley, Hodges, Mills – you probably have guys internally to fill each of those spots. Hafner and Sizemore would be the only two really making large money as well, so plenty to spend elseware.

Replacing Choo with Escobar doesn’t hurt at all. If anything, it helps you a ton. Peralta would then be expendable, and he can go in the same deal for someone like Francoeur (who you can use in the meantime) and a pitching prospect or even two – I don’t know specifically what the Indians front office would demand. Or maybe he is a separate move, who knows. Just something centered around these guys just seems to make a ton of sense for both teams. Better then watching Peralta walk for 2010 (due to contract) or 2011 and having that hole in the infield yet again while having to deal an OF anyway because of the abundance of talents gathered for OF, 1B and DH.

PS, Cabrera has a BAbip of .369 right now. His real production level is much closer to what you saw last year then this. Just so you know.