Quick Hits: Beltran, Wren, Padres, Marshall

Cornelius Alexander "Connie" Mack was born on this day in 1862.  After an 11-year playing career, Mack went on to become the manager and co-owner of the Philadelphia Athletics in 1901 and was a fixture in the A's dugout for the next half-century.  Between his 50 years with the A's (and three years managing the Pirates from 1894-96), Mack won five World Series titles and compiled a 3731-3948 record.  Needless to say, Mack's records for managerial wins and losses will never be broken.

Some news from around the majors…

  • The Indians made "an aggressive" two-year contract offer to Carlos Beltran worth "very close" to the $26MM Beltran received from the Cardinals, a source tells Paul Hoynes of the Cleveland Plain Dealer.
  • The Braves have been rather quiet this offseason but "the fact is we like our team," GM Frank Wren tells David O'Brien of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution.  "We continue to have some conversations,” Wren said.  “We’d have liked to have gotten something done in November in some areas, but just weren’t the matches….We’re continuing to work different options. This was not a good free-agent year, not a lot of players that impacted teams, especially in the areas we would like to get better in.”  Wren said the Braves may wait to see how their players perform during Spring Training before deciding if they need to bring in some new acquisitions.
  • The Padres still have around $7-$9MM to spend this winter, observes Bill Center of the San Diego Union-Tribune as part of his weekly chat with fans. 
  • Center also discusses Anthony Rizzo trade rumors, citing the Rays and Cubs as the most interested parties.  Center thinks teams who miss out on Prince Fielder (such as possibly the Mariners and Orioles) could look at Rizzo as well.
  • The Reds will use Sean Marshall as a setup man, not as a closer, once their deal with the Cubs is finalized, writes John Fay of the Cincinnati Enquirer.  Fay also wonders if the Reds are working out a contract extension with Marshall, as the price of Travis Wood plus two prospects seems high for a reliever who is only under control through 2012.
  • The Mariners are still interested in Jeff Francis, reports Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports (via Twitter).  Seattle wants a veteran like Francis for the rotation to serve as a bridge for the team's young pitchers.  We heard about the Mariners' interest in Francis earlier this month, and the Twins, Pirates, Cubs and Rockies have also been linked to the Canadian left-hander.
  • Patrick Ebert of Perfect Game runs down the 10 biggest stories that emerged from this year's amateur draft.
  • Former Marlins manager Edwin Rodriguez told Todd Hollandsworth and Jim Memolo of MLB Network Radio (as reported by MLB.com's Joe Frisaro) that he didn't agree with Miami's signing of Jose Reyes.  "You already have an All-Star shortstop, why spend money on another All-Star shortstop?" Rodriguez asked.  "Why not put the money into another player, like Albert Pujols or a front-line pitcher?”  Rodriguez also wondered how "a very proud player" like Hanley Ramirez would handle switching positions and having Reyes be the center of media attention in Miami.
  • The Giants haven't spent much to address their lack of hitting this winter, writes Fangraphs' Wendy Thurm.


101 Responses to Quick Hits: Beltran, Wren, Padres, Marshall Leave a Reply

  1. diesel2410 4 years ago

    Rizzo to the Rays is very intriguing, but the Pads and Rays don’t match up well at all. Both need middle infield help and have a ton of pitching. Maybe a 3-way trade? In-Friedman-I-Trust!!!!

    • joeybw 4 years ago

      Sean Rod is a fine stop gap and Lee is the future. If they want to try trading young prospects for each other, I might be ok with Beckham for Rizzo. HOWEVER, WD40 would be a stud in the huge Petco, with a much smaller chance of HR’s, he would be a lot better, he would just need less walks.

      • diesel2410 4 years ago

        I would be perfectly fine trading Beckham for Rizzo. Lee seems much better. The more power, the better

      • AirmanSD 4 years ago

        And thats the biggest problem with Davis. The same reason I am personally leery of Volquez, walks in PETCO is how a pitcher can get in the most trouble since you are reduced to playing small ball.

      • might be ok with beckham for rizzo…laughable

  2. cubsfan25 4 years ago

    I think the only way the Cubs get Rizzo is for Garza

    • johnsilver 4 years ago

      Would not shock me at all to see Epstein try and find a way to get him back, only don’t forget that Hoyer is just as familiar with him from Boston also and is not going to let him go cheaply.

      Cubs farm system is so wretched (not trying to knock them) it will be very hard for Epstein to get him regardless.

      • Guest 4 years ago

        padres have no need for Garza.  They are rebuilding.  Why do you think they traded Latos?

      • toptimrubies 4 years ago

        Hoyer is in CHI with Epstein.

        • johnsilver 4 years ago

          Byrnes.. Boston front office personnel are all over the league running places or high up.. Hard to remember which one is where now 😉

      • YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

        Umm….isn’t Hoyer the GM for the Cubs now? Last I checked Ep and Hoyer are on the same team now…haha.

    • briankoke 4 years ago

      Byrnes shot that rumor down.  Padres wont want Garza.  Three way deal?

  3. NYBravosFan10 4 years ago

    It might be very interesting to you Braves, Royals or Red Sox fans that there was a tweet from Royals Review that said that the three teams are discussing a trade that would result in…
    Royals get-Jair Jurrjens
    Red Sox get-Joakim Soria
    Braves get-Lorenzo Cain, Marco Scutaro, others (I’m assuming the + sign in the tweet means the Braves would get more players not named yet)

    What do you all think?

    • notsureifsrs 4 years ago

      marco sctuaro for joakim soria? i approve. if the others are top prospects, i don’t. and i’d be surprised if the red sox dealt scutaro to be honest now that lowrie is gone

      i think three-team trades are awesome though and should happen more often

      • NYBravosFan10 4 years ago

        I would think that the “others” would mean another Red Sox player being involved because no way the Sox get off that easy.

        • diesel2410 4 years ago

          Even if the Sox give up a top prospect and Scutaro, I still think it’s a win for them. Losing Papelbon was a tough blow, and who knows if Bard is ready for “Boston closer” role. Soria has experience and nasty stuff. 

          I wouldn’t like it as a Rays fan

          • NYBravosFan10 4 years ago

            well, if the “other” is going to the Braves then it might not even be a minor-leaguer. Maybe Josh Reddick?

          • diesel2410 4 years ago

            Would the Braves want/need 2 MLB-ready outfielders for a pitcher? 

          • NYBravosFan10 4 years ago

            Cain could be the long-term answer at CF if we can’t bring back Bourn but I’m not sure what he’d do until then. And the only reason I said Josh Reddick is because I don’t know anymore Red Sox prospects/brand-new major leaguers that actually fit lol

          • rundmc1981 4 years ago

            I have my doubts about Cain. Who does KC have in CF coming up that makes him expendable? Wil Myers is a corner OF.

          • Jeff 4 years ago

            Heyward’s a bit of a question mark right now.  Bourn will leave after the season, or have a fat contract, and Prado is out of position in LF, but will move to 3B once Chipper retires.  This would be a move for 2013 more then 2012.

            JJ is expendable not because he sucks (he’s quite good), but because of guys named Teheran, Delgado, and Vizcaino who are all potentially better then anything the Braves have starting now, and the Braves starters are good as of now.

          • rundmc1981 4 years ago

            Don’t be so sure about Chipper being done after 2012. He has an option remember, and he’s not one to turn down any offer unless he has a TERRIBLE 2012. 

            As much as I love Prado, and as much as we need an OBP guy – which he normally is – he doesn’t have many of the attributes of a typical 3B. I love the progress that Terdoslavich is making, though he’s still a ways off. Even if we re-sign Bourn and if Pastornicky proves worthy, they still won’t bring power. So we replace Prado IF Chipper retires after ’12 then we’ll HAVE TO get a power LF bat.

          • rundmc1981 4 years ago

            Lorenzo Cain is MLB-ready?

          • I’m not really buying the source, but:

            Atlanta seems to be acting on the assumption that Michael Bourn is a one-and-done guy for 2012 only (Boras client; in his contract year).  Ergo, Lorenzo Cain makes perfect sense. 

            Scutaro also makes great sense as a utility guy/backup/challenge for Tyler Pastornicky as new SS.

            The trifecta, if possible, would be Will Middlebrooks, the Sox 3B prospect, who they might consider to be blocked by Youkilis… give him a year at AAA Gwinett, and then he could have a chance to be Chipper’s heir apparent.

            But if such a thing would happen, Atlanta would have to throw in a bit more… to both KC and Boston.

          • commenter3346 4 years ago

            But Middlebrooks isn’t blocked by Youkilis. 

            Youkilis is breaking down at 3rd base & probably won’t survive 2012 let alone 2013. Middlebrooks needs a year in AAA before he’s (hopefully) ready.

            Which means they need a replacement — i.e., Middlebrooks (the closest 3rd base prospect to being ready).

            + Why would the Red Sox give up their best prospect for a reliever who just came off a bad/down year?

            + Why would the Red Sox give up their starting shortstop when they just traded away the leading candidate to replace him (if he were to be traded)? So they can have Nick Punto and Mike Aviles covering 3rd base (when Youkilis hits the DL) & short stop?

          • You’re right – there are things that don’t make sense… but like I say, if this WAS somehow legit, I would at least ASK about Middlebrooks if I’m Atlanta.
            Thx for the Youk report – admittedly wasn’t sure his state… turns 33 in March.

          • chico65 4 years ago

            You’re forgetting about Iglesias.  I can more than live with a black hole on the offensive side, as long as he is a black hole on the defensive side (not even light can escape the dude).

            Beckett and Lester might be so happy that they will no longer feel the need to have a beer during the game.

          • …that said, this may have been a fake/planted rumor.  Talking Chop has a poster who seems to have reason to suggest this.

            If so, gotta give some credit – the deal makes some sense, excepting the unbalance on years of control that would be exchanged.

          • chico65 4 years ago

            I’d give up Reddick and Scutaro in a heartbeat if it meant Soria back in return.  I’d even substitute someone like Hassan or Hazelbaker if they wanted someone a little further out.  Sox are swimming in OF prospects, some further away than others- Kalish, Jacobs, Hassan, Hazelbaker, Brentz, Bradley and Westmoreland is even playing again.  Get it done Ben.  

          • joeybw 4 years ago

            Hehe Soria just made me smile. Remember when we scored 5 runs in the 9th off Crow and Soria, ending it on Fulds triple + error to round the bases?

        • 14 Rocks 4 years ago

          It could be Reddick going to the Royals.

      • johnsilver 4 years ago

        Concur. Can’t see any scenario in which Scutaro is moved now that Lowrie is gone. Punto, Avilles are not going to be the starting SS and even though IMO the Red Sox offense would be able to handle a .200OBP Iglesias, it would totally ruin any chance of him learning to hit over the long haul with another season at Pawtucket more than likely.

    • Phillies_Aces35 4 years ago

      I was under the impression the Royals were going to keep Lorenzo Cain since they moved Cabrera to give him the starting job.

      • NYBravosFan10 4 years ago

        me too, that’s why it’s so intriguing

        • Intriguing, maybe?
          However, didn’t Dayton Moore say Cain might not be ready for the full time in 2012? To me that’s a problem for the Braves if they want him as a starter, how can he be if he’s not ready.

          • 14 Rocks 4 years ago

            The Braves wouldn’t want him as a starter.  They would want him as the 4th outfielder (and future CF should Bourn leave as a free agent).

    • Triple Hawpes Brewed 4 years ago

      How long ago was this tweet?

      • NYBravosFan10 4 years ago

        it was posted at 4 something central time from Royals Review. Quote.. .
        “#Royals #Braves and #RedSox discussing 3 team deal. Soria to Sox, Jurrjens to Royals, Cain, Scutaro + to Atlanta. “

        • T Morgan 4 years ago

          I’m kind of shocked that this site hasn’t posted this one..

          • NYBravosFan10 4 years ago

            it’s in a thread on the forums page but I agree with you. You’re slacking Tim and BNS!!!

          • rundmc1981 4 years ago

            Notice they didn’t pick up the story from Mark Bowman falsifying the Baltimore Sun report.

          • NL_East_Rivalry 4 years ago

            this site mostly post rumors that have legs.

          • T Morgan 4 years ago

            I’m not saying this is the best source, but there have been many of reports with less legs make headlines only to be shot down shortly thereafter by someone actually involved or close to the situation. Adam Jones rumors come to mind from yesterday. Connely reports Braves offer Prado and JJ plus anothe pitching prospect, only to have it deemed completely false by Braves writers (DOB if I remember right)

          • NYBravosFan10 4 years ago

            A braves player going to the Royals? It has legs.

          • rsanchez1 4 years ago

            The rumor didn’t have enough “mystery teams”.

          • NYBravosFan10 4 years ago

            If this rumor get’s going I’m sure there will be at least one.

    • Jeff 4 years ago

      I’d be happy with that deal.

    • 14 Rocks 4 years ago

      I love it from a Braves’ perspective. 

  4. 55saveslives 4 years ago

    Really Wendy? Brilliant deduction!

    • vtadave 4 years ago

      Did you even read her article?  She’s actually one of the better writers that FanGraphs has, and her breakdown of the Giants’ payroll was excellent. It was sort of a misleading way that Mark linked to the article however.

      • gmenfan 4 years ago

        Very good article, well worth the read for Giants fans. Outlines the Giants “try to win by doing as little as humanly possible” strategy very well. Bad contracts still haunting the club and dumping a boatload of cash on two aging lefty relievers … just not smart.

      • 55saveslives 4 years ago

        Yes I read it….and as a Giants fan, there wasn’t one thing in there that I didn’t already know.

  5. KINGMOJO 4 years ago

    “a very proud player” like Hanley Ramirez…lmao that the same hanley who got benched for a lack of hustle this year right?!!!

    • rundmc1981 4 years ago

      Was he benched by Jack McKeon? I know he was by Fredi Gonzalez.

  6. DickHarden 4 years ago

    So we want Francis because he’s older and sucks? What’s wrong with a little Furbush until Paxton and Hultzen arrive? If we have to sign an old crappy pitcher, why not Moyer?

    • Always. The best way to bridge to your upcoming talent is to block it with free agents with no upside, while minimizing your maximum offer to  Prince Fielder.

      • DickHarden 4 years ago

        Thanks, I knew there had to be a good reason.

    • Full_Pants 4 years ago

      It would be the Bedard strategy that Seattle has used to great advantage in the last two years. Francis has a good chance of putting up great numbers in Safeco with the Mariners defense behind him. Then they trade him at mid-season to a contender for prospects. 

  7. joeybw 4 years ago

    Rays Get: Anthony Rizzo, Luke Gregerson
    Padres Get: Wilmer Flores, Wade Davis
    Mets Get: Tim Beckham and Nick Barnese

    Thoughts? Opinions? Insults?

    • NYBravosFan10 4 years ago

      sounds alright to me, not sure why the Rays want to trade Wade Davis but whatever

      • diesel2410 4 years ago

        Surplus of pitching and they need a 1B/DH with power

        • NYBravosFan10 4 years ago

          isn’t Wade Davis supposed to be one of the better ones though?

          • AirmanSD 4 years ago

            Davis is seen by most scouts as a back of the rotation type, with a peak as a mid rotation starter. So no, Prices/Shields/Moore/Cobb/Archer all are or projected to be better.

    • AirmanSD 4 years ago

      NO. That deal is not going to fly. The Padres need someone that is going to stick at SS. If they are giving up Rizzo and Gregerson then they have to get back a legit SS prospect. Flores isn’t that, nice bat and all but almost all scouts agree that he is moving off SS. And again, Davis makes little to no sense for the Padres unless the front office truly believes he is a lot more then he has thus far shown.

      • joeybw 4 years ago

        A big problem for Wade Davis is the HR ball, the annoying one, wall scrapers usually. In Petco, those are fly outs. I think he becomes a strong 2/3 in Petco. I really do. It’s actually a bad trade for the Rays if we didn’t have 8 MLB ready SP’s with Archer knocking on the door to be #9.

        • AirmanSD 4 years ago

          And to be honest that might be a fair assessment of Davis, but still not of the Padres needs. The Padres are much like the Rays in pitching depth (no not to the same level) but lack offense. That the point. Davis is a nice piece, but for the Padres they have in house options that are cheaper and could do the same job. On the other hand they lack utterly so a SS in the system that can remotely be called a long term player at the position. 

          • padresfuture 4 years ago

            Peterson has a chance but is 2-3 years away minimum. It will be difficult for the Padres to get a stud SS. They may have to settle for a decent one and hope Blanks and Alonso can be solid middle of the order bats.

      • Guest 4 years ago

        I think the Padres should go all in with the O’s or Rangers for Manny Machado or Jurickson Profar.  Rizzo and Headley could both be used and Venable, Bartlett, and Hudson could be had if anyone has interest.  Or it would be cool if they could somehow get Adam Jones from the O’s

        • joeybw 4 years ago

          Yeah, Padres have a much better shot at Hak Ju Lee than those 2 and Friedman wont be trading him. Machado and Profar are untouchables. Especially Machado, he’s the next teir after Harper, Moore and Trout.

          • Guest 4 years ago

            I dont really like Hak Ju.  He hit for average pretty well last year but thats really it and he was in like A-ball most of the year.  I dont see him much better than like Drew Cumberland, assuming he can pick up where he left off after that crazy injury.  Rizzo for Lee straight up is a loss for the padres.  I wouldnt do it

          • briankoke 4 years ago

            I disagree.  I’d love to see Rizzo for Lee.  He doesn’t just hit for average.  He’s a premium defender at a premium position and he has plus speed.  I’d swap those two in a heartbeat. 

          • Fred_G_Sanford 4 years ago

            dont be racist against chinese and japanese people!  jack hu lee is a good player

          • briankoke 4 years ago

            He’s also Korean.

        • Bob 4 years ago

          teams dont trade 5 tool shortstops for first basemen prospect.

        • rundmc1981 4 years ago

          Machado isn’t going anywhere. You can make a play for Profar in hopes that TEX will agree long-term with Andrus. 

    • given ALL rays fans say hak ju lee is untouchable, they should probably stop making trade proposals for rizzo.

    • briankoke 4 years ago

      Sounds terrible for the Padres.

    • rundmc1981 4 years ago

      Gregerson could be their closer…and they trade that and one of their top position prospects for Wade Davis and Flores? They could get a lot more for Rizzo from CHC.

  8. MSG TO MARK POLISHUK:  I’d like to suggest a re-word of your summary about the Bave O’Brien article.  In that article, DOB quotes Frank Wren as saying:

    “The fact is we like our team,” said Wren, who said the Braves might be
    better off going to spring training and seeing how some of their own
    players do before addressing their priority needs and seeing who might
    become available to fill them.

    Your summary seems to be missing the word “may”, which kinda conveys a different meaning…. as in “Wren said the Braves [may] wait to see how their players perform during Spring Training…”

    That’s all – as you were.

  9. SOXFISH29 4 years ago

    the marlins went after Pujols and C.j. wilson, they offered more money so edwin looks a little crazy there

  10. rsanchez1 4 years ago

    Well Edwin, the Marlins *had* an All-Star shortstop, before he decided to waste the past two seasons kicking balls, playing badly, injuring himself on stupid plays, and badmouthing his manager. If the only thing the Reyes signing accomplishes is putting Hanley in his place, that would be good enough for me. But Reyes at this point is a huge improvement over Hanley. We’ll just have to see if Hanley will be a huge improvement at 3B.

  11. Bob 4 years ago

    Wade Davis for Rizzo or Brett Jackson and couple young arms far away for Rizzo. Would be a great haul. Pads could be pretty good eventually for awhile if their pitching progresses.

    • rundmc1981 4 years ago

      They’re not giving up their top position prospect (Jackson) for Rizzo. They wouldn’t make sense in rebuilding.

      • SDPads98 4 years ago

        I’m not familiar with Jackson, but are you saying Rizzo is not a top position prospect that will not help a team with rebuilding as well??

  12. inkstainedscribe 4 years ago

    Wasn’t Wren talking like this (we’re not really looking to do anything now) right before he made the deal for Uggla? I think he enjoys pulling surprises.

  13. Jesse Heiman 4 years ago

    The padres/rays/mariners should do a three team trade that sends Michael Pineda and Justin smoak to Tampa and padres and padres send chase Headly and rizzo to m’s and rays and rays send Friedmann and B.J. upton to Mariners and Padres.

    • Beersy 4 years ago

      I’m not trying to be rude, but I can’t figure out what your proposal is.  Who would get who?  I’m assuming it is a joke as Friedman is involved.

  14. Actually Connie Mack was born “Cornelius McGillicuddy”

  15. jeffmaz 4 years ago

    Teams that miss out on Fielder might turn to Rizzo?
    are you kidding me…have you seen Rizzo try to hit at the MLB level?
    and this is coming from a Padres fan

    • padresfuture 4 years ago

      He has a good approach at the plate and lots of power. He will be fine. Need more than 100 or so ML at bats, he will make the adjustments as he is very competitive and doesn’t give up.

      • jeffmaz 4 years ago

        the thing about prospects/suspects (even the good ones)…is that you just never know how they will perform in the bigs
        because of his slow start – I don’t see the trade value there – and if he does pan out – then they will be selling Rizzo too low

  16. would edgar renteria make a good fit with the padres

  17. sdsny 4 years ago

    I dunno.  If I were a Braves fan, I’d be a little upset with that.  You’re talking about a team that has glaring offensive weaknesses and also blew a huge lead in the WC in September to miss the postseason.  The Braves are one more decent bat away from being NL East contenders, so for Frank Wren to be satisfied at this point is a little alarming to me.

  18. rundmc1981 4 years ago

    As the link indicates, ATL also had the 4th best MLB record as of 8/24/2011. Don’t forget how good the season was up until then. We had a rash of injuries, major slumps by some stars, a first-year manager (of the team, following a legend (Cox)) still figuring out the team (imo), a weary bullpen (that was the best in MLB at the AS break), and a lot of rookies in a pennant race for the first time in their careers (but not the last). 

    Sure, those are excuses, but I think they’re also reasons. You don’t blow a lead that big without a few things going wrong.

    They’re aware of the problems, thus why they’re not bringing back: Derek Lowe, George Sherrill, Scott Linebrink, Alex Gonzalez, Brooks Conrad, and Peter Moylan. Our top pitching prospects are just getting closer to being ready…and we’ll have more pitching depth than last year.

  19. chico65 4 years ago

    I find the contrast between the ATL and BOS offseasons amusing.  Both blow massive leads to cough up the wildcard.  ATL tweaks.  BOS blows up the front office and coaching staff.  The difference in reactions to the same situations is something, isn’t it?

  20. sdsny 4 years ago

    Oh they were on the cusp, no doubt.  But I think even when they were playing well, they still had some offensive issues.  I have no worries about the Braves on the mound.  Their entire pitching staff is as good as you’re gonna find, especially with the subtraction of Derek Lowe.  But they really could use one more threat offensively.  Chipper’s too old and McCann can only do so much as a full-time catcher.  If Jason Heyward reaches his potential, that’ll make a big difference, but another OFer who can hit 25 HR or so would really help the Braves.

  21. rundmc1981 4 years ago

    It is intriguing, but these are 2 different teams and front offices. We don’t have a team that will sit around during a game and eat fried chicken – and we surely don’t have a front office that would let that story get out. We don’t have a team that degrades their manager publicly, while having some members of management questioning players/managers on-field abilities because of their personal issues (Francona, Lackey). I could be wrong, but this is just from what I’ve read…and I’m sure there’s more.

    I’m just looking at some of the differences, but BOS’s budget is a lot more than ATL’s…so their expectations are great. They have more proven talent than ATL does, so in my opinion, they needed to really question why their team was not making the cut. ATL’s reason stems from the fact that there were A LOT of lingering injuries to our major components – when Chipper is one of the healthier members of your team, you’re in trouble. 

    Frankly, I think ATL is closer to their goal than BOS. But, that’s just me. That’s not saying BOS can’t have some players get their minds right and actually play like they’re winners, but ATL has a lot of young talent that is learning what it takes to win consistently. After 2012 we’ll (ATL) have around $40M to play with and we’ll be rid of a lot of contracts that have held us down, while having those phenomenal pitching prospects possibly ready.

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