Details On Albert Pujols’ Negotiations With St. Louis

The Cardinals did not extend Albert Pujols by Wednesday's deadline, but it wasn't for a lack of creativity. The team was open to outside-the-box deals with the slugger, though talks have now been tabled until after the season. Here are the details on some of the deals the team proposed:

  • Pujols will likely sign a deal worth at least $25MM per season, as Tom Verducci of SI.com points out. A source close to Pujols tells Verducci that the first baseman isn't about the money. "He has enough and his charitable work is amazing. He has flown doctors and dentists to the Dominican to give kids there access to health care. But he is someone with intense pride. He has worked hard to turn himself into the best hitter in baseball and he's earned the right to be treated that way in negotiations. It's not about greed with Albert. I think it's pride."
  • The Cards offered a deal that was "slightly better" than Mark Teixeira's eight-year, $180MM contract, according to Yahoo's Tim Brown (on Twitter).
  • Jon Heyman of SI.com reported yesterday that the Cardinals offered Pujols a nine-year extension worth more than $200MM and Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports reported Wednesday that they offered Pujols a deal worth roughly $19-21MM per season.
  • Pujols was interested in owning part of the Cardinals and the team explored the possibility, according to Derrick Goold of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch. Players cannot "directly or indirectly, own stock or have any financial interest in the ownership or earnings of any Major League Club," unless the Commissioner approves the agreement, but Bud Selig could be open to allowing such an arrangement between Pujols and the Cardinals.
  • Goold lists some players, including former Cardinals great Rogers Hornsby and current Pittsburgh Penguins owner Mario Lemieux, who have gone on to own teams.


91 Responses to Details On Albert Pujols’ Negotiations With St. Louis Leave a Reply

  1. bacon_bitz 4 years ago

    $19-21MM per season? Bahahaha. Good luck with that, Cards.

    • Redsoxn8tion 4 years ago

      He “isn’t” about the money? The other day I read he wants to be a “lifelong Cardinal”. Am I the only one who sees right through the BS in this? Ok, I’ll say it. Hey Albert, if you’re not about the $$

      • Redsoxn8tion 4 years ago

        …then why did you turn down St Louis’ offer that was more then Mark Texiera’s?

  2. The Cardinals are crazy. To not offer the best player in baseball the biggest contract in history is ridiculous. Pujols gave what $35 million could have bought on the open market last year according to WAR. And that was a down year. Pujols should not ask for anything less than $30 million per.

    Also, for my two cents on a potential destination for him, I would chose the Toronto Blue Jays. They have taken so much money off the books in the last couple seasons, and could basically give him a blank check. If he has any interest playing there, it would be a cookie-cutter fit. Pujols, along with Bautista, Snider, Lind, Hill, Arencebia, and a great young pitching staff that will continue to improve, that Blue Jays team would be a World Series contender without a doubt.

    • Todd Smith 4 years ago

      Pujols shouldn’t take anything less than $30 million per year, and the Cardinals shouldn’t offer him something that will cripple the organization for the next 10 years. Just because somebody will offer it doesn’t mean the Cardinals should.

      • Completely agree. Even though Albert wants to be there and the Cards obviously want him there doesn’t mean that it is a fit that will help the team out. If they think that 30 mil a year for 10 years is going to hurt their chance at winning and maybe hurting the franchise in the long run, then they can’t do they deal. The bottom line is that baseball is a business and you have to make business decisions that is going to help your long term investment.

  3. erm016 4 years ago

    He’s gonna go to Atlanta.. jk.

    I want to see him finish in STL, but they need to get their head on straight. Maybe they shouldn’t have given Matt Holliday that many years or amount of $$. Stupid move IMHO.

    • Redbirds16 4 years ago

      I think hindsight will prove that Holliday’s contract was well merited… think about it. If he would have taken that 1 year 22 million contract offer (I can’t remember which club it was… sorry), then he would have hit the market with Werth and Crawford. He’d be making a lot more money right now…

  4. ubercubsfan 4 years ago

    How can anybody offer Pujols 19-21MM/yr when Howard is getting 25MM/yr. Do the Cardinals want to lose him on purpose? I don’t get it.

    • aaronanderson16 4 years ago

      Yeah it seems completely stupid, but if you add in the fact that he would be a part owner of the team for the rest of his life that contract could realistically be 200 mil just from the contract, and it could add up to double that with him being a partial owner. I mean if he makes 5 mil as an owner your looking at 24-26 mil a yeah and when then contract is up he could make a good amount of change every year.

      • ubercubsfan 4 years ago

        Even so, if they offer him at least 25MM/yr, it’s ONLY 9MM/yr more than what they are paying him now. So if they didn’t pay the likes of Berkman they’d be fine and slide in some rookie or someone on league minimum. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t want the Cardinals to win really, but it’s baffling how they are balking at Pujols rate of pay.

    • RedSox79 4 years ago

      Yeah, Howard’s contract is ridiculous though. I think market value for Pujols, throwing out Arod and Howard’s contracts, should be about $24-$25M per year. A couple Mill more than Texeira and Gonzo (assuming he gets $22M) I think is reasonable. Besides those absolutely stupid contracts, He should be the highest paid position player by a couple mill, right around $25M per

      • aaronanderson16 4 years ago

        Best comment I have read in days. The Cardinals are now suffering from the ridiculously moronic moves made by the rangers, yankees, and phillies now. I know once those deals are over the Yankees and Phillies will regret them if they don’t already. It would still shock me if the Cardinals some day do not get him for the range of 24-27.5, mainly because I think they do end up giving him some type of ownership that would technically make him the highest paid and would continue to pay him throughout his life.

        • RedSox79 4 years ago

          I am hopeful he can stay with the Cards…. If he does turn down anything in the 8 year/$200Mill range then I just think he is lying when he says he wants to be a Cardinal for life. If he wants more money than that from them, then he wants to be on a losing Cardinals team for life.

        • Crackis4lovers 4 years ago

          The ownership thing is pure fantasy. Way more hurdles than it’s worth. There’s other ways they can satisfy his demands without the hassle.

          • Redbirds16 4 years ago

            His demands are most likely based around stature and respect, not the money (if Pujols’ words are to believed, and I guess I’m one to believe them). What better way to show a player he’s important to the team than to give him a portion of it, especially if he asks for it?

    • disgustedcubfan 4 years ago

      Low balling the best player in franchise history with plenty of good years ahead does not make any sense.
      Not making any offer at all, but asking for the right to match or beat whatever offer he gets would be the best way to go. St. Louis has smart people running the show, but I don’t get it either.

    • Andy_B 4 years ago

      I wouldn’t buy the 19 to 21 million dollar guess by rosenthal because that’s all it was was a guess. The post dispatch confirmed that it was deal worth over 200 million and when it comes to cardinals news they are really about the only source that can be trusted.

      My best guess is the cardinals have not made their best offer to Pujols yet because they understood that unless they met Albert’s demands he wouldn’t be signing an extension. This way their offer doesn’t get shopped around, and they can come back and counter any offer made by other teams.

    • Redbirds16 4 years ago

      $25MM for 5 years is a lot different than $30MM for 10.

      $175MM difference in fact.

      If I were the Cards, I’d front load the contract. Sure it lowers the AAV, but can still make him the highest paid player in baseball for the first 5 years or so.

  5. metfan31 4 years ago

    i cant wait to see this offseason’s madness to begin, just imagine what kinds of crazy deals we’re gonna see flying around.

    • The_Silver_Stacker 4 years ago

      Me too, but I especially want to see how the Cubs go about things. I mean they really can’t go wrong, by that I mean they can make a huge offer to drive up the price on Pujols or even snag him from the Cards.

    • Crackis4lovers 4 years ago

      As much as I think it would be best for baseball if they find their common ground, I have to admit, I’m dying to see what would happen with him on the open market.

  6. Rick Garcia 4 years ago

    if pujols owned part of the cardinals now, wouldn’t he then be paying himself?

    • Redbirds16 4 years ago

      Like working for the government and paying taxes on that income…

    • Crackis4lovers 4 years ago

      And create a very big mess in regards to MLBPA membership. In the what-ifs category this is about as likely as Albert agreeing to be paid in goats.

  7. NatsTown 4 years ago

    He’s just gearing up for this career as a Nat haha

    • Redbirds16 4 years ago

      I think the Nats have a good a shot as anyone, really. I mean, both the Cubs and Nats are in the same boat. They’ve got the money, they just need to prove they can be competitive with the core group of guys they have.

  8. LifeLongYankeeFan 4 years ago

    Why wait until the last minute to do all this. Wouldn’t a month ago have been better but that’s just my opinion.

    • Redbirds16 4 years ago

      well, the Cards did make an attempt last offseason, but the price was too high and Pujols really has no reason to settle for anything less than he wants.

      AND the Cards pitched their initial offer around the first of the year, so roughly 6 weeks ago…

  9. At some point the Cardinals have to decide what’s financially feasible for them. They are not the Yankees, Red Sox or Phillies. They made an offer. Period. If Cardinals go any higher, then they won’t be able to put anyone around Pujols. If they were to give him 30+ mill a year, then Pujols may as well say goodbye to any chance at another WS ring. Which is supposedly what he wants more than money. But judging by his actions the last month, he wants to get paid more than he wants to win.

  10. Isn’t Hornsby the reason why MLB doesn’t allow players to have an ownership interest in the team?

  11. Seals 4 years ago

    Both sides have said the numbers the media is reporting are wrong, so take all of this speculation with a grain of salt. Albert’s agent wants Cardinals’ fans to think the owners are cheap so we won’t blame Albert. Any takers on who’s behind the leaks?

    No one has reported Albert moving off the 10-year/$300 million figure either, and that’s as ridiculous as these reports. Just because other teams are willing to sign Pujols to a stupid contract doesn’t mean the Cardinals should follow suit.

  12. timmytwoshoezzz 4 years ago

    I guess the Dewallet name really fits for the Cards owner. Cards fans would be shocked and outraged if they knew how much money he and his ownership group have been socking away this past decade. I hope Albert goes to the Cubs just to spite Dewallet.

    • They’ve been paying for the stadium they built with their own money. They got tax breaks, but no money from taxpayers, to build the stadium. Now, they’ve been paying more than they need to each year, but that’s just to avoid paying so much interest, just like paying a mortgage off faster. Maybe you should provide examples so we Cardinal fans can be shocked instead of just making claims you can’t back up.

  13. For all you people sayn there is NO WAY he goes to the SOX, I got some news for you.

    Would the Red Sox have room for Albert Pujols? [David] Ortiz’s contract comes off the books after the season. So does the $14 million being paid J.D. Drew, the $12 million being paid Jonathan Papelbon, the $7.5 million being paid Mike Cameron, the $5 million being paid Marco Scutaro and the $2 million being paid Jason Varitek. That’s more than $52 million right there. … The starting rotation is set for the next four years, which leaves a ton of money left over to invest in another big bat. That’s where Pujols comes in. Ask yourself this: When haven’t the Red Sox gotten involved in the bidding for the biggest name out there?

    52 million coming off the books!! Now tell me they wont be a player for Mr. Pujols? As a Cards fan this scares the crap out of me but at least he wouldnt be a CUB right? The hangup would be If he would split time at DH and 1B w/ Gonzo. But if the Cards dont meet his number and he wants to WIN, what better place to go! Plus he would be treated like a GOD in Beantown. Something to think about

    • nemss 4 years ago

      Pujols has expressed many times that he has no desire to DH, or split time at DH. He plays 1B, and considers his defense his key above offense.

      If the money is good enough, he might think twice, but he takes a lot of pride at playing a gold glove caliber position.

    • RedSox79 4 years ago

      As a Sox fan, I don’t see this happening. It looks good in the short term, as in your example, but the Sox will be paying Lester more in 2012 than this year, and Pedroia’s contract will escalate also. Then, presumably, they will be paying Gonzo $14M more in 2012 than this year. They will probably look to lock up Buchholz and Bard to 4-5 year deals to avoid the arbitration years. The Red Sox aren’t the Yankees, and will NEVER have that type of revenue stream. They won’t spend $200M on payroll, at least not in the next few years.
      Add to this the fact that Papelbon could very well remain a RS after exploring the open market, they would probably be paying him about the same ($12M) in a three year deal, or $13M per in a two-year deal. I really don’t see any team being willing to throw Rivera money at Paps.
      You are right though… he would be treated like a God in Boston :)

      • Thanks for the insight, I was only thinking short term but its good to get a Boston perspective! BTW it would suck to lose him but if he leaves I want him to go to my AL team which is Boston.

      • RahZid 4 years ago

        The contract escalations don’t matter for tax purposes, so that’s something of a mute point. I also don’t see them extending any reliever, no matter how good they may be. Although I would love to see theme extend Bard as he seems to be the exception to the rule.

  14. Cardsfan5147 4 years ago

    You guys are crazy. I really don’t think he is gonna be that greedy to go for a 10 year 300 million contract. I think he is a better guy than that. I don’t think he is gonna want a history making contract. He wants to win the World Series more than get money. If the Cards do good this year then he will stay and if not…well we might be out of luck unless he loves his team as much as his team loves him.

  15. Cardsfan5147 4 years ago

    You guys are crazy. I honestly think he isn’t that greddy of a guy to ask for a 10 year 300 million dollar contract. It all depends on how well the Cards do this year. He wants a a team who can compete so if we get close to the World Series if not win it then he will stay, but if we don’t then we might be SOL…unless he loves his team as much as his team loves him.

    • Cardsfan5147 4 years ago

      Greedy*

    • godzillacub 4 years ago

      His team may love him, but ownership doesn’t. Or rather, only to the extent that he gives them a HUGE hometown discount. The player doesn’t need to always be the one to give, ownership can too. Doesn’t make Pujols greedy. Were the Cardinals F/O greedy at his below market value last contract?

      And, if he “just wants to win the World Series,” he signs with the Yankees or Red Sox. Not a team with a very thin farm system and tight budget restraints even if Pujols settles at 22 a year. Pujols signing with the Cardinals period, regardless of the money he gets, is him being generous to the team as they are: 1. Not going to be the highest bidder (Cubs/Nats), 2. Do not have the best chance of winning the series (see: Phillies).

      Don’t make Pujols the bad guy. He just wants fair market price.

  16. Maybe the Rays can dump their entire time and just have Pujols.

    • RedSox79 4 years ago

      I think their attendance would rise in this scenario!!! Keep Longoria, Price, and Pujols and fill the holes with minor leaguers!

  17. MaineluvstheSox 4 years ago

    If Agon signs [probably], then the Sox and Yanks have their 1st base position locked up. However, if either team makes a move on Pujols, watch the other team get involved. Pujols would ramp up the Sox or Yankee offense so much the other team couldn’t just sit by and watch. The bidding war would get almost silly.

  18. I am Urban Legend 4 years ago

    Someone suggested, the Yanks trade Texiera and the 5 years 110 mil remaining on his contract to ST. Louis for Pujols contingent on signing an extension.

    St. Louis stays w/i their 21-23 mil range for only 5 more years…
    The Yanks only bump payroll up 7 mil more and can afford Pujols’s 10 year contract.

    • start_wearing_purple 4 years ago

      Except has anyone ever heard of a trade like that outside a video game? Forget Pujols no trade clause, Tex also has one and I’m guessing he’s exactly where he wants to be.

  19. Yankee_Baal 4 years ago

    I would love to see Albert owning part of the Cardinals and becoming their President once he retires. It’d be the best for the organization and it might allow to both give him contractual reward worth over 300 millions, ensure his financial future once he retires, and keep the current payroll at a similar level as it is right now. I’m really glad that DeWitt and his group are open to this kind of deal.

  20. Encarnacion's Parrot 4 years ago

    Seeing as every analyst that has sources is saying something completely different, it’s logical to assume they’re all just guessing.

  21. It would be nice to be able to attend a home game for once. Not gonna change anytime soon, not with these bloated salaries. Baseball has been out of control for a long time. I’d love to see some of these players’ egos knocked down a few notches. Let’s start with Pujols.

  22. disgustedcubfan 4 years ago

    With all the talk about partial team ownership and 300 million dollars, it looks like we can forget about the “hometown discount” Albert was going to give the Cards.
    It’s a rude dose of reality for those who thought St. Louis is so wonderful, how could he even consider another city.

  23. the Cards need to stop low-balling Pujols. Albert has made them so much money and brought them a championship while being the best player in the league setting a # of different records. offering him and I quote “slightly better than mark teixeira” is a disgrace. The Cards better get serious because it is possible Albert gets intreaged by another teams offer and potential; Lebron did.

  24. Twinkilling61 4 years ago

    Pay Pujols 225MM over 8 years. Gives him more money per year than A-Rod and it’s not too long of a contract.

  25. Pujols is in control here. If he doesn’t receive an offer that is to his liking, then he will walk and get a lot more on the open market. Offering Albert less than what Vernon Wells makes doesn’t bode well for St.Louis. If they want to keep him, they have to make him the highest paid player in baseball.

    The bidding in the off season will start at $30 Mill per season. The Cubs would pay that over in a heartbeat to not only get a great player but to screw over a division rival at the same time. To Cubs fans, that will be money well spent.

  26. Seals 4 years ago

    Paying a 41-year-old (or if you believe the conspirators, 43-year-old) $30 million in the final year of a 10-year deal is just plain stupid.

    A 10/300 deal wouldn’t be bad if you gave him (for instance) $40 million the first year with descending numbers for the entire length of the contract. But there’s no reason to pay any 40-year-old player $30 million.

  27. grownice 4 years ago

    Boston might want him.

  28. Really?!?! Do tell why!

  29. More proof you don’t know what you’re talking about

  30. Seals 4 years ago

    A 41-year-old first baseman is not going to be the best player in baseball. Heck, there are a lot of people who think NO first baseman can be the best “player” in baseball at any age.

    I understand what you mean about deferred money, but that’s why deferred money is usually spread out over like 20 years. Having a $30 million black hole in the Cardinals’ salary structure would kill them. Some teams can handle that, but not here in St. Louis.

  31. grownice 4 years ago

    Im just givng you a hard time, you know i know what you meant. lol

  32. RahZid 4 years ago

    Do you need them to not need him?

  33. grownice 4 years ago

    Im not sure gulp is the right word for me, though something hard will definately happen.

  34. Seals 4 years ago

    Like a lot of Cardinals fans, I care about the salary structure not the owners. If the Cardinals overpay for a player — Kyle Lohse, Tito Martinez, etc… — that hamstrings the team and we end up collecting a lot of low-hanging fruit.

    Albert has refused to negotiate, not the Cardinals. This situation only benefits Albert.

    I’m a Cardinals fan. I’ve been a Cardinals fan for 35 years. One way or another, I’ll be a Cardinals fan long after Albert is gone. Supporting my team over a selfish player is not crazy.

  35. Seals 4 years ago

    I didn’t say Albert wasn’t the best player in baseball. I just questioned the concept of a first baseman being “the best player in baseball.”

    A lot of teams put old, fat guys on first base. Pujols is a gold glove player but he’s still just a first baseman. Comparing A-Rod’s first big contract (as a young shortstop) to an aging first baseman is not equal, even if he is the best “hitter” in baseball for another five or six years.

  36. Seals 4 years ago

    You’ll never understand baseball in St. Louis.

  37. Seals 4 years ago

    Does that mean the Cardinals *have* to sign him to a bad contract?

    Find me one really long contract that worked out well for the team and it’s fans?

  38. MaineluvstheSox 4 years ago

    Interesting. Naturally I’m a Youk fan. Didn’t know that stat was that good. I like it.

  39. start_wearing_purple 4 years ago

    Well personally right now I like the idea of AGon over Pujols simply because of the money. AGon is going to cost $20M+ a year whereas Pujols will cost $30M+. At what point is he really worth the extra $10M and at what point do you “settle” for another star hitter? Note: I’m not saying AGon is a better player. I’m saying even the Red Sox need to ask the question about bang for the buck. It’d be great to have both, but let’s just say that’s crazy talk.

    Also, there’s that part where people are already talking 10 year deal. Call me crazy but a 40 year old with 3 years and $90M left on his deal would scare me a little. Pujols is great but the only players I’ve ever seen improve into their 40s are both currently in legal troubles due to ties to steroids and lying under oath, etc.

  40. start_wearing_purple 4 years ago

    It’s still early yet but I’d say yanks fans are happy with Tex, Sabathia. Giambi had a 143 OPS+ with the yanks.

  41. Seals 4 years ago

    Jeter and A-Rod’s deals aren’t far enough along, and money doesn’t really even matter to the Yankees. They can always take on bad contacts because they have so much expendable money.

    Albert hasn’t signed that kind of a long-term contract yet. He was paid more than anyone during his arbitration years and it was still a favorable contract for the team. His second contract was also above market value, and still favorable for the team. I understand why he wants that to change in a final, long-term deal it’s just too long. A 10-year deal doesn’t make any sense for the team, unless he really defers a lot of the final couple of years.

    Manny Ramirez? You’re kidding right? I’m done. None of these examples prove your point.

  42. Seals 4 years ago

    Nope. Our fans deserve a competitive team.

  43. RedSox79 4 years ago

    All I’m trying to say is you have Bard, Lowrie, and Buchholz that will all be arbitration eligible. Plus, Pedey and Lester are going to be due for raises in a few years also. We need to be thinking long term, like Theo would be. That’s all. Also, Ellsbury will get a raise in arbitration if he is able to stay healthy this year. There are a lot of things to look at. I don’t see this happening. But, I’m not saying that I don’t want it to happen… just saying that I don’t want to see this organization crippled by contracts the way the Yankees are, and the Phillies are soon to be.

  44. start_wearing_purple 4 years ago

    You don’t really know much about baseball, do you?

  45. RahZid 4 years ago

    Sorry, but you lost credibility when you said Jeter’s deal wasn’t far along. Also, the deal ARod signed with Texas was worth the money (although Texas couldn’t afford it).

  46. Redbirds16 4 years ago

    I can see the Cards starting out that low, but I bet that wasn’t their ceiling. It is a negotiation after all, you never start at your highest bid… if you would, then you’ve never bought a car…

    My guess is Pujols’ camp wasn’t budging too much from their point, because, quite frankly, they don’t have to (well until November anyway)…

  47. Which offers? The guesses made by out of town writers? It’s getting ridiculous to continue posting about this like the contract that was offered has been confirmed. Pujols himself laughed at the reporters interviewing him when he got to spring training about the numbers they were throwing around being way off. Nobody knows for sure except for Albert and the Cards, so to bash the front office or Albert is pretty stupid at this point.

  48. Seals 4 years ago

    notsureifsrs: Manny’s deal was really good the last couple of years. Sure. You’re really making your point.

    start_wearing_purple: Yep. Such an idiot, you agree with me in another thread.

    “Call me crazy but a 40 year old with 3 years and $90M left on his deal would scare me a little. Pujols is great but the only players I’ve ever seen improve into their 40s are both currently in legal troubles due to ties to steroids and lying under oath, etc.”

  49. nemss 4 years ago

    So, because he goes to the Red Sox, he’ll be more successful than he’s been in St. Louis? Ok………

  50. Crackis4lovers 4 years ago

    With the length of deal he’s looking for I think he has to be aware that those win totals will not be there in the latter years of the contract and be willing to accept an AAV deal with that in mind. I think $25-27 is completely reasonable.

  51. Redbirds16 4 years ago

    Because WAR is not an absolute truth.

    No way was Gardner worth 10% more than Jayson Werth last year. The stat is nice, but it’s not the holy grail. The sooner people realize this, the better…

  52. Green_Monster 4 years ago

    God, do people not get that he could get 30 million the first 4-5 years, and get 25 million in the next 2-3 years, and 20 million in the last 1-2 years. He doesn’t have to be paid 30 mill on the last few years of his contract!

  53. JeremyBaseball 4 years ago

    I think you’re overestimating the organization’s stream of revenue. St. Louis’ media market is nowhere near that of Boston’s. Strong attendance makes them from a small to mid-market team, not mid to large-market.

  54. RedSoxDynasty 4 years ago

    Theres a big difference in AGonz getting 23 mil at age 35 when he should still be an All-Star GG 1B and Pujols getting 30 mil up till he’s the ripe old age of 41! Not even comparable as AGonz should be worth every penny of this deal through his prime years!

  55. RedSoxDynasty 4 years ago

    And the damage he would cause to the Green Monster! If Boston wanted to all but guarantee a minimum 3 out of 5 championship run then they sign Albert! I know it doesn’t sound fair but it is 1. all about winning and 2. beating the Yankees around here and 3. Staying under or close to the luxury tax! The Sox accomplish all this if they sign Pujols and don’t handicap themselves financially at all as almost their whole team is in or entering their prime and are tied up for at least 3 more years! Kalish RF, Iglesias/Lowrie SS, Salty C, Ellsbury CF, Buchholz SP, and Bard Closer are all gonna be extremely cheap for several years and then guys like Youk and DiceK expire in 2 years and Beckett and Lackey in 4 years!

  56. And it’s got them exactly one more World Series title in the last 10 years than the Cards have. It’s also FAR easier to make the playoffs in the NL Central than it is in the AL East, so you’re argument is pretty much totally wrong.

  57. RahZid 4 years ago

    I’m not as sold on Tex after last year, but then again I’m somewhat biased. If Sabathia opts out and doesn’t re-sign with the Yanks, then that will have been an amazing contract for the Yankees, although not as long term.

  58. RedSoxDynasty 4 years ago

    Let’s see how they do from here on out cuz now that AGonz is out of SD and Petco that gap in talent may disappear totally! So, IMO, that tier u fondly talk about doesn’t exist anymore!

  59. tough to talk any sense to notsureifsrs since if you don’t agree with him he’ll talk down to you like you’re stupid, when in fact it’s the other way around.

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