Odds & Ends: Ross, Hale, Daniels, Mets, Coaches

Some links to check out as Cody Ross attempts to follow up yesterday's two-home run performance and the Phillies look to even the score…


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4 years 9 months ago

to me, adrian gonzalez doesn’t seem worth it. why would you give 5 great players up who will help give the Red Sox an amazing future than one who will add some bat to the lineup. it just doesnt make sense. when adrian’s a free agent i think we’ll pursue him. not right now though.

BoSoxSam
4 years 9 months ago

Agreed. Boston should go crazy for AGon in free agency, but not before.

Tko11
4 years 9 months ago

I agree, I hate giving up prospects for one year of any player. The Red Sox did fine this year without Agon. If it wasnt for all the injuries they probably would have made the playoffs too. Next year if they can stay healthy, they will surely compete. After next year they can go for Agon.

4 years 9 months ago

agreed, i do think crawford is a worthy pickup though

Tko11
4 years 9 months ago

I agree about Crawford because he is younger than Werth. The only thing is that Crawford will be really expensive. I’m not sure if they would be able to go after Agon if they sign Crawford. If they are willing to invest that much money I would rather go for Cliff Lee(even though its very unlikely). Then they can possibly trade Dice-k since some teams had some interest and of course they would have to pay most of his salary. Pitching and defense wins championships!

4 years 9 months ago

yea, but i would argue that speed is more important than homers. the rays are a fun ball cub to watch. way more fun to watch than the yankees or red sox for that matter because they’re scrappy. they turn a leadoff single into a run like that. crawford could add what ichiro added to the mariners; speed and reliability.

0bsessions
4 years 9 months ago

Getting Ellsbury back on the field adds that, he’s just as much of a stolen base threat as Crawford or Ichiro.

0bsessions
4 years 9 months ago

Getting Ellsbury back on the field adds that, he’s just as much of a stolen base threat as Crawford or Ichiro.

Tko11
4 years 9 months ago

I dont know about that…Homeruns are pretty fun to watch.

Tko11
4 years 9 months ago

I dont know about that…Homeruns are pretty fun to watch.

4 years 9 months ago

yea, but i would argue that speed is more important than homers. the rays are a fun ball cub to watch. way more fun to watch than the yankees or red sox for that matter because they’re scrappy. they turn a leadoff single into a run like that. crawford could add what ichiro added to the mariners; speed and reliability.

woadude
4 years 9 months ago

if it wasnt for the 7 blown saves you would of had a great year

Guest
4 years 9 months ago

“Red Sox did fine this year without Agon”

You don’t say? The Red Sox looked great in the ALDS without him. Oh wait…

Guest
4 years 9 months ago

Great another Ellsury and Lowrie discussion for Adrian G discussion by idiot Red Sox fans. Thought this one titled under “absolutely insane proposal” 10 times before. At least now we gain some added perspective from the fans who unanimounsly agree, Adrian G is not worth it and would not be a vital piece to the Red Sox future. I can see why..Oh wait? huh…

John LeClair
4 years 9 months ago

Get Werth and Prince Fielder and we’ll be ready to go.

malcolmec
4 years 9 months ago

I just like that your pseudonym is “John LeClair”…

mrsjohnmiltonrocks
4 years 9 months ago

Oh, man- the Phillies could face Cliff Lee!

Forgive me if I laugh at the irony. On some level it would be awesome!

Backup_Slider
4 years 9 months ago

A game 7 featuring Cliff Lee versus Roy Halladay (in Philly) would be even “awesomer”.

Swarley
4 years 9 months ago

Padres are crazy if they think the Sox are giving up Iglesias. Might as well not even ask.

4 years 9 months ago

Almost as crazy as anyone that thinks the Padres are giving up Adrian?

4 years 9 months ago

You’re crazy if you don’t think they are at least entertaining offers. Max value for Agon will be gotten this offseason. It’s a chance for Jed Hoyer to put a very solid base of young, affordable players into the Padres organization.

baseballz
4 years 9 months ago

Totally agree that they’ll be entertaining offers, but, I think the specter of the Texiera trade looms large whenever anyone talks about trading a star first baseman. If Atlanta had got to the WS with Tex, or, if they had got anything of value for him when they traded him to the Angels to try and regain the lost value, then I could see more deals like that going down. As it is, I think it would be a severe long shot if A-Gon pulls in anything close to the three A-type prospects that Tex did.

YODA777
4 years 9 months ago

Are the Red Sox willing to wait another year, finishing in 3rd place again, waiting for Adrian to become an FA and then have to compete with the Cubs and other teams to get him?

woadude
4 years 9 months ago

They wont finish 3rd, they had a good team considering it was a “bridge year” considering the blown saves and bullpen problems its funny when people say they are a bat away, they are a couple quality bullpen arms away and a move Bard to the closer role away and trade Papelbon for whatever they can get for him, he doesnt seem happy to be in Beantown anymore.

YODA777
4 years 9 months ago

I agree that Bard is more valuable then Papelbon; however, I think Bell is a
better closer then both of them.

johnsilver
4 years 9 months ago

it’s why Boston will wait until after the season and just get him via FA. Pujols, Gonzo, they can have their pick, even fatty Fielder in a flooded market. SD can hold onto him, Boston can keep the future and give him a Tex deal then if they want, no need to give in to Hoyer, who knows the Sox farm system well.

All this speculation over a trade is pure nonsense, Epstein is not going to give in and trade away Iglesis and Kelly, then give him 180m on top of it.

Padre fans can keep on dreaming, they had better be hoping AGone gives them a home town discount which I myself would like to see anyway.

Ohhhplease
4 years 9 months ago

As you will read in the article, the Padres are not asking for this package, this is from an “unnamed executive”….lets just stop with the “they are crazy for asking” blah blah blah posts…..

YODA777
4 years 9 months ago

The Padres do not need Iglesias, they already have a better SS prospect in Drew Cumberland. Cumberland has a much higher upside then Iglesias and should either start at AAA or get promoted to AAA by midseason. Rizzo is not as good as Matt Clark who is a 1st baseman in the Padre system and should start the year at AAA. Clark led the NCAA in home runs coming out of college and has raked at every level of the Padre organization. In addition, the Padres still have Kyle Blanks to play first should Adrian get traded. Casey Kelly also had a crappy year last year at AA, and the Padres have several pitching prospects ready to make the leap to MLB within 2-3 years. If the Red Sox are serious about getting Adrian [Adrian would absolutely rake playing at Fenway and have Gold Glove defense], the trade discussions should start with Ellsbury, Bard and then involve a 3rd team, perhaps the Cardinals for Rasmus. The Padres could put up Adrian, Headley and Heath Bell in return for Ellsbury, Rasmus, Bard and Felix Doubront.

johnsilver
4 years 9 months ago

Not saying anything about Cumberland, but iglesias has been rated as the best glove guy in the minor leagues at SS in some quarters. His bat is all there is to question and at 20YO, 1/2 season in the US he still did fairly well at AA.I just can’t see Boston moving him as part of a deal for anyone, much less Casey Kelly.

YODA777
4 years 9 months ago

Cumberland has a pretty good glove, but his bat and speed are very good.
Who knows if it will ever translate at the MLB level, but Cumberland has
been tearing it up in the minors. Cumberland does have an injury bug issue
because he plays so hard he often gets injured.

johnsilver
4 years 9 months ago

Not saying anything about Cumberland, but iglesias has been rated as the best glove guy in the minor leagues at SS in some quarters. His bat is all there is to question and at 20YO, 1/2 season in the US he still did fairly well at AA.I just can’t see Boston moving him as part of a deal for anyone, much less Casey Kelly.

Tko11
4 years 9 months ago

Crazy??…A package centered around Iglesias isnt that crazy as long they arent giving up another top prospect too. Agon is a young player who has proven he can play at a very high level. Iglesias has great defense but his bat is still questionable. I wouldn’t mind having an infield with Youk at third, Lowrie/scutaro at ss, Pedroia at 2b and Agon at first.

4 years 9 months ago

Michael Silverman needs to understand that the Red Sox have Beckett, Buchholz, Matzusaka, Lackey, and Lester in the rotation for next year. Stupid…

Dave_Gershman
4 years 9 months ago

3 of whom, had miserable seasons.

4 years 9 months ago

Who also have high salaries. Nobody will take them.

Encarnacion's Parrot
4 years 9 months ago

There has to be one team that would take any salary and give out any salary.. hmmmm..

4 years 9 months ago

The Yankees? Yes they will trade with the Red Sox… whens the last time that happened

Encarnacion's Parrot
4 years 9 months ago

Heh yeah. Never, and probably never will. Just stating fact that there is a team out there who could take on high salaries. But I get the feeling that people tend to think that a trade would never happen between them solely on the fact that fans from both teams tend to despise each other, in a competitive manner I hope.

start_wearing_purple
4 years 9 months ago

Well I found an article online about Red Sox/yanks trade of pitchers… but they want me to sign up and pay for it, so no. But the last trade I can remember was 1997 when the Sox traded for Tony Armas Jr. for Bob Stanley. While not that significant at the time, Armas Jr. was flipped a couple of months later as part of a package for Pedro Martinez.

wickedkevin
4 years 9 months ago

Sox almost traded Lowell to the Yankees this year folks.

Ferrariman
4 years 9 months ago

redsox traded Babe Ruth to the yankees for cash considerations. does that count? its not really a trade as muc as it was a royal fleecing to the 1000th degree.

johnsilver
4 years 9 months ago

Easy to remember and why the don’t trade anymore… Danny Cater for Sparky Lyle.. Worked out perfect for the NYY and a really nice turd for Boston.

woadude
4 years 9 months ago

Matzuzaka was rumored to be in a Seattle deal, probably because Nintendo likes the idea of having Ichiro and Matzuzaka play together and maybe bring some WBC magic to the major leagues, makes for a good spot for Cliff Lee…but it wont happen

4 years 9 months ago

Why in the world would the Sox try to sign Lee when they already have a $50m (in 2011 salary alone) rotation?

4 years 9 months ago

Because Michael Silverman says to and Silverman is a genius.

BWOzar
4 years 9 months ago

By my count:
Beckett: 15.75 mil
Lackey: 15.25 mil
Matsuzaka: 10 mil (plus I think it would be fair to consider his cost to reflect 1/6th of that 51,111,111 posting fee which would add another 8.5 mil or so though it’s a sunk cost)
Lester: 5.75 mil
Wakefield: 1.5 mil
Tazawa: 500 k
Buchholz: 500 k+

But they are freeing up Lowell’s 12 mil, Beltre’s 10 mil, Papelbon’s 9.35 mil (have to imagine they don’t pay that guy 13-14 mil next year…), 8.4 mil for Hall, 7 mil for Martinez, 3 mil for Varitek and a variety of cheaper parts. That leaves them with about 50 million to spend to keep the same payroll. Assuming the resign Martinez (13 mil per year sound reasonable? Comparable to the deal the Yankees signed Posada to after he went .338/.426/.523 in ’07 – Martinez is 3 years younger, but coming off a lesser year and doesn’t have that ‘special meaning to the team’ nonsense) which leaves them about 40 million to target Lee and a bat or two. As a Yankee fan I’m far more concerned about a Boston rotation with Lee in the mix and someone (Matsuzaka?) replaced. Maybe they finally get a Gonzalez deal done, move Youkilis to 3B and can still financially look at off season of:
Cliff Lee: 23 mil per season
Martinez: 13 mil per season
Gonzalez: 5.5 mil in 2011
Werth: 16 mil per season (assuming a Bay-esque deal)
Total cost: (roughly) 57.5 million in 2011…

Sawksfan
4 years 9 months ago

Of course I assume they get Gonzo because Beltre walks. Do they let Ortiz walk also? That team option would add another $12.5M to your cost for about $70M. Unless…they let Papi walk…they sign Werth, I assume Ellsbury is gone in Gonzo trade….Cameron in CF, Kalish in RF and Drew DH?

BWOzar
4 years 9 months ago

I assumed they’d bring back Ortiz based on productivity and popularity and assumed it would be a similar salary.

I see absolutely no reason Drew should be moved to DH. Drew’s RF UZR/150 the last 3 years: +10.0, +15.8, +4.9. What that means is that Drew is consistently a very good right fielder, so, no, I don’t see any scenario where he gets moved to DH. Kalish’s fielding marks are also highly positive, but in a VERY small sample size (small enough to be damn near irrelevant).

If I’m a Sox fan I dream of a line-up like this in 2011:
Pedroia
Drew
Gonzalez
Youkilis
Ortiz
Werth
Martinez
Cameron
Scutaro/Lowrie

Sawksfan
4 years 9 months ago

I certainly wouldn’t be upset to see that lineup, especially V-Mart hitting 7th!

hahaha let’s hope for the best.

BWOzar
4 years 9 months ago

Ha! I’m hoping to see another lineup without Pedroia and Youkilis for long stretches because I’m a Yankee fan. Wouldn’t mind another near-6 ERA from Beckett either. But I do like to think I can have fairly objective baseball fan conversation about other teams, even the Sox…

If the Sox managed an offseason like the one I outlined earlier I would be VERY concerned for my beloved Yankees.

Sawksfan
4 years 9 months ago

Haha well now….I give you credit, it’s nice to be able to discuss Sox-Yanks without the “Red Sux” or “A-Roid” stuff. I certainly hope the offseason goes as you posted because if there’s one thing I’ve learned over the many years I’ve been a Sox fan….

Never underestimate the Yankees, inseason or offseason!

crashcameron
4 years 9 months ago

really, what does Drew’s UZR matter if he’s mostly MIA on the IRL?

crashcameron
4 years 9 months ago

really, what does Drew’s UZR matter if he’s mostly MIA on the IRL?

0bsessions
4 years 9 months ago

Over the last four seasons (Since Drew came to Boston), Drew has averaged 131.25 games a season.

Kevin Youkilis, the hard nosed tough guy who most Boston fans say every Sox player should be more like, has averaged…132 games per season.

Drew’s not exactly an Cal Ripken Jr., but he’s a no Mike Hampton either.

BWOzar
4 years 9 months ago

Exactly. I don’t like J.D. Drew, but he’s been a very good player over the time of his contract in Boston.

BWOzar
4 years 9 months ago

Exactly. I don’t like J.D. Drew, but he’s been a very good player over the time of his contract in Boston.

crashcameron
4 years 9 months ago

guess i should have checked before i tried to be clever!
somehow Drew manages to seem a ghost only appearing every couple with a clutch hit

0bsessions
4 years 9 months ago

Over the last four seasons (Since Drew came to Boston), Drew has averaged 131.25 games a season.

Kevin Youkilis, the hard nosed tough guy who most Boston fans say every Sox player should be more like, has averaged…132 games per season.

Drew’s not exactly an Cal Ripken Jr., but he’s a no Mike Hampton either.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 9 months ago

So if the whole pen is entering free agency then why non-tender Lance Cormier? I expect the Rays to sign a ton of relievers to minor league deals, much like they did with this guy who was only pretty much the best non-closing reliever in Baseball this season, his name is Joaquin Beniot.

Steve_Adams
4 years 9 months ago

He made $1.2MM this season, allowed 10 hits per nine innings pitched, and walked more hitters than he struck out. I’d be surprised if they don’t non-tender him.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 9 months ago

which is why i also said ” I expect the Rays to sign a ton of relievers to minor league deals, much like they did with this guy who was only pretty much the best non-closing reliever in Baseball this season, his name is Joaquin Beniot.”

Steve_Adams
4 years 9 months ago

I’m aware, I was simply tackling the first half of your comment. No sense keeping Cormier around with those peripherals when you could take a shot at two or three Benoit-esque reclamation projects with that same amount of money.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 9 months ago

Your absolutley right Steve…I was just saying that in addition to those 3-6 minor league signings and 2-3 Beniot’s, might as well bank on a comeback from Cormier because some team will.

slider32
4 years 9 months ago

Red Sox will go hard after Adrian Gonzalez, they have always liked him. They need to solidify 1b. They have the money to go after Lee, but I don’t think they will out bid the Yanks.

4 years 9 months ago

They don’t need to solidify 1B, they have one of the best in the game already

Sawksfan
4 years 9 months ago

True, but if they don’t resign Beltre, they’ll need a 3B. Youkilis can play 3rd as well and is better than most logical solutions available at 3B (unless they trade for David Wright). It’s the lesser of two evils to switch Youkilis to 3B and get a monster bat at 1B.

redsox4120
4 years 9 months ago

I think it would make more sense to sign or trade for a long term solution at third.

Sawksfan
4 years 9 months ago

The good thing is the Sox have options. They could always sign/trade for a 3B, and still get Gonzo or Fielder and have some flexibility there, someone DH’s and someone plays 3B. It’s never a bad thing to have flexibility.’

That said, it comes down to who’s available, who fits the Sox plans going forward, and of course $$$ (hopefully this is less of a determinant than the other 2)

jordan
4 years 9 months ago

am i the only one that thinks the sox would be stupid to give up all those players plus the cuban SS, for a-gon? thats way to much IMO, we need the cuban SS or else the revolving door will continue

4 years 9 months ago

The cuban SS has a name.

Infield Fly
4 years 9 months ago

Díselo!!! 😉

Encarnacion's Parrot
4 years 9 months ago

You’d hope that they learned their lesson after the Beckett/Ramirez trade.

4 years 9 months ago

Well, that Ramirez/Beckett and Lowell trade gave the Red Sox a World Series…

With how key those two players were in getting to and winning the World Series, the Sox wouldn’t have won it if they hadn’t done that trade. It would be nice to have Hanley at SS but as a Red Sox fan I will take the World Series win every time.

Sawksfan
4 years 9 months ago

I know we look back to that trade, and despite winning in 2007, seeing what Hanley has done is somewhat sickening. Yes, if Sox didn’t have Beckett, no way they win in 2007. But who’s to say if Sox kept Hanley instead of the riff raff at SS over the past 3 years, the Sox couldn’t have won the WS in 2008-2010?

That said, he’s also shown himself to be Manny 2.0, a real piece of work….

Just a thought…

start_wearing_purple
4 years 9 months ago

Yeah because getting the 2 players that lead us to the 2007 world series wasn’t worth it.

Potrzeba
4 years 9 months ago

Wasn’t worth it? Are u high? So u would rather have hanley at SS? Remeber he’s got an (manny being manny thing starting). Ur carzy! He’ll Beckett shouldve won th cy-young in 2007.

start_wearing_purple
4 years 9 months ago

Umm dude. Sarcasm. I’ve made it quite clear for years that the Hanley/Beckett trade was one of the most balanced trades in history, one of the very few large trades where both teams won out.

woadude
4 years 9 months ago

That had to of been the best and most even trades in this decade, what one other team is supposed to get shafted? the Marlins gave them a solid 3rd baseman and a solid pitcher and the Sox gave them a ss they can financially afford and make their fans happy to go to the ballpark, I only wish they had traded with the Sox over the Tigers when they gave away Cabrera, the Sox love paying players to play for other teams, and it would shut the dour on crazy Agon rumors

start_wearing_purple
4 years 9 months ago

All 5 of those players is ridiculous. And I tend to agree that Iglesias is pretty much untouchable. It’s not that he’ll put up the same offensive numbers Tulo and Hanley, it’s because of his intrinsic value to the Red Sox future. A shortstop who can finally play gold glove defense.

jordan
4 years 9 months ago

exactly…. no more revolving SS door

Encarnacion's Parrot
4 years 9 months ago

I think the Red Sox are better off with resigning Beltre and keeping Youkilis at 1B. The Rays would be a better fit with Pena probably leaving, and have a better farm at this point.

0bsessions
4 years 9 months ago

They can more easily afford the prospect cost, but as soon as it comes time to put up for an extension, the Rays aren’t in a much better position than the Padres are. No way the Rays trade for Gonzalez. They’d be trading the next three or four years (AKA, The Longoria Window) for one season.

0bsessions
4 years 9 months ago

They can more easily afford the prospect cost, but as soon as it comes time to put up for an extension, the Rays aren’t in a much better position than the Padres are. No way the Rays trade for Gonzalez. They’d be trading the next three or four years (AKA, The Longoria Window) for one season.

YODA777
4 years 9 months ago

Lets expand the trade a bit here and include the Cardinals. The Padres do not need Lowrie or your SS prospect. How about Agon and Bell to Boston; Headley, Kelley, and Inglesis to the Cardinals and Ellsbury, Rasmus, Doubront and Daniel Bard to the Padres? Boston is giving up 5 players to get two all-stars [one who might well be MVP]. The Padres are giving up 3 [two all-stars] to get 4, and the Cardinals are giving up 1 to get 3. None of the Red Sox’s players are currently All-star caliber; however, they would fit very well with the Padre’s and playing at Petco Park. The two guys the Red Sox get would really help them now and over the next 5 years. The Padres would have an excellent payroll friendly outfield, built for Petco in Rasmus [LF], Ellsbury [CF] and Venable [RF]. The Cardinals would get a potential top of the rotation guy in Kelly, an excellent shortstop in Inglesis and a starting 3rd baseman would put up much better numbers playing in St Louis. The Padres then slot Blanks or Clark at 1st base. Between Rasmus and Blanks, the Padres should get at least 25 dingers, making up for some of the power loss with Agon’s departure.

start_wearing_purple
4 years 9 months ago

I still think Iglesias has more worth to the Sox as a future gold glover than as a trade chip. And the fact that we’re now giving up Bard who is 7 years younger, much cheaper, and put up very similar numbers to Bell in the AL East makes me say no much faster than before.

4 years 9 months ago

I also don’t recommend giving up Iglesias and Bard, and I also wouldn’t be so fast to give up Rizzo. If the Red Sox we’re serious about getting Gonzalez, I think Anderson/Kelly/Reddick/Lowrie could get it done, or if not, add another prospect. Better to keep some of the upper level talent, while of course not as much as before, while the great potential out of the draft could translate into the upper levels.

HerbertAnchovy
4 years 9 months ago

You mean Jose Iglesias? Being lazy and reffering to him as “the cuban SS” is insensitive.

Natinals
4 years 9 months ago

Yeah i would take Casey Kelly, Ellsbury and Lowrie just for A-Gon. Now theyre talking about Iglesias too? If this was a legitimate offer I’d be all over it if I were Jed Hoyer.

Sawksfan
4 years 9 months ago

Giving up that much talent and THEN turning around and giving Gonzo a 5-6 year $120+ contract would be insane. The ONLY way I would do that deal is if Gonzo signed an extension on the spot, otherwise you give away some Ellsbury, Kelly, Iglesias, ect for a 1 year rental? No thanks.

Sox can wait for FA for Gonzo, or even wait for Rizzo at that point.

Yankeeboy11
4 years 9 months ago

My offseason prioritys for the Yanks besides Lee is resigning Kerry wood,Marcus Thames. Sign Thome to DH. Sign Beniot for the pen. If Pettitte retires. They COULD give Joba a chance to start again since they’d have Wood and Beniot in the pen. Thome starting DH sits when a Lefty Pitches and Thames starts. Although i never really checked Thomes numbers vs lefties. Im just assuming he sucks against them : o

4 years 9 months ago

I agree the Number One priority is Lee. After that(regardless of wether Pettitte comes back)that’s 4 spots in the rotation. I kept saying that Adam Warren, Ivan Nova, and Joba should fight for the 5th spot if Pettitte decides to leave. The rest of the offseason should be commited to the Bullpen, and other holes in the bench that need to be filled, and calling up Montero.

Yankeeboy11
4 years 9 months ago

Yea signing Thames back is good for the bench for the lefties. man I would really LOVe Thome LOL Power Lefty in that stadium. It could happen. He’s basically only playing to get 600 and a ring. That could happen going to the Yanks.

0bsessions
4 years 9 months ago

Thome would be foolish. He’s allegedly seeking a multi-year deal and both Posada and A-Rod are both a violent sneeze away from being a full-time DH. The Yanks should stop focusing on keeping a slugger at every single position and just shove Posada at the spot for the remainder of his contract and then slide A-Rod in there when he’s gone.

4 years 9 months ago

Who’s replacig A-Rod then? Brandon Laird’s defense is pretty bad, and Montero I don’t think is a freak athlete that will have a alot of range. I think they should try Tyler Austin…

0bsessions
4 years 9 months ago

Thome would be foolish. He’s allegedly seeking a multi-year deal and both Posada and A-Rod are both a violent sneeze away from being a full-time DH. The Yanks should stop focusing on keeping a slugger at every single position and just shove Posada at the spot for the remainder of his contract and then slide A-Rod in there when he’s gone.

Shawn from New Hampshire
4 years 9 months ago

I think its more likely that the Sox would trade for Fielder than AGon. I would rather them sign Derek Lee for 1 year as a stopgap until 2012 just in case Pujos actually reaches free agency. Even if he doesnt, you can almost guarentee that one of Fielder and AGon will hit free ageny. I would rather lost a supplemental draft pick than give up the farm. Focus on signing Crawl Crawford and beefing up the pen this offseason

Sawksfan
4 years 9 months ago

Only problem with Fielder is Scott Boras is his agent and will be pushing for a Teixeira type contract in FA. Gonzo is just as good and can maybe be had a tad cheaper. Just a thought.

redsox4120
4 years 9 months ago

I don’t think the Sox should trade for any first basemen. Why not sign a scab like Overbay, Wigginton, Kotsay, or Lee for 2 years while Anthony Rizzo is being groomed in the minors. Iglesias, Rizzo, Kelly, and Kalish could all start on the Sox in two years, with all that young talent so close to being MLB ready, there’s no sense in trading it all away.

start_wearing_purple
4 years 9 months ago

Don’t get me wrong, I love Rizzo’s power potential. But he can’t hit a lefty to save his life. I say trade him now while while his value is high.

redsox4120
4 years 9 months ago

I don’t know if that’s reason enough to trade him. He’s only 20 so adjustments can be made. He’s also a plus defender. So I wouldn’t trade him away when he’s got all that power and great D but can’t hit lefty pitching at the age of 20.

4 years 9 months ago

He’s only 20, and adjusments can be made, as you saw with Curtis Granderson. Not comparing them, just merely saying that adjustments can be made. He’s also a good defender. I would trade Anderson rather than him.

start_wearing_purple
4 years 9 months ago

I know he’s young and can make a turn around. Call it a gut feeling that he’s more valuable as a trade chip than as a a future starter.

Sawksfan
4 years 9 months ago

I agree. Prospects can have enormous value but that value can quickly vanish. If they plan to bring in a Gonzo or Fielder, Rizzo would be blocked anyways.

slider32
4 years 9 months ago

Your farm will not beat the Yanks and the Rays. Werth, Gonzalez, Rimirez, Frazor,will give them a good chance.

redsox4120
4 years 9 months ago

I think of it this way: Everyone was once a prospect. Take the Twins for example Joe Mauer, Justin Morneau, Michael Cuddyer all came up roughly at the same time and now are the cogs of their teams offensive attack. So when you say that Rizzo, Kelly, Kalish, Iglesias won’t beat the yanks and Rays when they first come up, you’re probably right, but they can potentially potentially be as important to the Sox offense in a year or two as Mauer, Morneau, and Cuddyer.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 9 months ago

Who would Sox fans consider their two best prospects right now?

4 years 9 months ago

According to my rankings, Casey Kelly and Ryan Kalish. Ryan Westmoreland was injured so.

start_wearing_purple
4 years 9 months ago

Well consensus would have Kelly as #1. Ranaudo probably has the highest ceiling of any other prospect, but he has yet to throw a professional inning. So yeah, I’d say Kalish is the second best.

Backup_Slider
4 years 9 months ago

I’d say Kelly is an enormous reach. How he went from posting 48.1 phenomenal innings in the Sally League and 46.2 pretty good innings in the Carolina League during 2009 (after flunking out as a hitter for a year and half) to being Baseball America’s 24th best prospect in all of baseball is a mystery. Then he proceeds to go out and get lit up in the Eastern League, albeit at age 20. I would say he shouldn’t be a Top 100er when next year’s list rolls out, just as he shouldn’t have been one last year.

start_wearing_purple
4 years 9 months ago

He was a 20 year old kid who pitched his first full professional season in AA ball. Despite his high ERA, he managed an FIP of just under 3.9 and had a high strikeout rate and a decent walk rate. All things considered I think he did fine in a division where he was clearly going to be in over his head. I think you’re kidding yourself if you don’t think Kelly is a good prospect. He’ll be in the top 100 next year because he still has the make up of an ace.

Backup_Slider
4 years 9 months ago

You’re right that he will be a BA Top 100 guy in 2011 (BA won’t drop a guy from 24th to greater than 100th), and that he remains a top prospect Red Sox-wise, but I am still skeptical long term, hence I don’t think he’s anywhere close to being the 24th best prospect in the entire minor leagues.

0bsessions
4 years 9 months ago

You need to account for the fact that the minor leagues are more about getting your work in than actual stats. You focus on a given pitch, get it beefed up and worry about how many runs are crossing the plate later. That’s what Kelly was supposed to be doing in AA, working on his stuff rather than actually competing.

If he’s still in the minors at 24 and posting those kinds of numbers, then I’ll start to worry. For now? I’m willing to give him time to work on his stuff.

Backup_Slider
4 years 9 months ago

I think we could substitute Martin Perez for Casey Kelly here and continue this debate ad nauseum. There’s clearly no right answer and no wrong answer. I was just espousing an opinion that we can’t entirely discount one year of bad performance just because Baseball America says a player is a top-rated prospect (and likewise, in the case of Kelly we shouldn’t overvalue one-half-year of good performance just because he was a recent 1st rounder and/or Baseball America ranked him so highly). Surely it will be very interesting to see how Kelly, Perez, and Jordan Lyles (the other 20-or-younger starter that spent most of 2010 in AA) pan out long-term.

4 years 9 months ago

I’m not sure Kalish counts as a prospect anymore. Probably Kelly, Rizzo, or Ranaudo even though he hasn’t played pro yet.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 9 months ago

Kolbrin Vitek, Anthony Ranaudo, Ryan Kalish, Casey Kelly, Jose Iglesias, Felix Sanchez, Anthony Rizzo, Brandon Workman, Kyle Weiland, Ryan Westmoreland would be my top 10.

4 years 9 months ago

Alot of them have not even made their proffesional debut.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 9 months ago

two of them have not made their professional debut. And Strasburg was #2 overall prospect in Baseball last year before making his debut. if they are in the system, they can rank.

Natinals
4 years 9 months ago

Is this in order? I would put Kelly up top

BoSoXaddict
4 years 9 months ago

You would put someone who might not ever play pro ball again in your top 10 propsects list?

BoSoxSam
4 years 9 months ago

maybe because 1. he’s making a remarkable recovery so far, and 2. if he can get close to what he used to be he is still a very good player.

BoSoXaddict
4 years 9 months ago

Don’t get me wrong, I’m pulling as hard as anyone for Ryan to make a full recovery and to get back to playing ball ASAP. But it’s just ridiculous to call someone a top 10 prospect when there’s a very real chance they are not going to play professional baseball ever again..

BoSoxSam
4 years 9 months ago

Well, prospects are all about risk vs. potential. At least in Spandemoniums view, Westmorelands high potential outweighs the risk. There are other players in the Red Sox system that are more dependable, with much lower risk than Westmoreland, but other than the 9 guys Span posted, I think that most of the leftover farm system’s potential is much lower than Westmoreland.

Dave_Gershman
4 years 9 months ago

Weatmoreland is currently in FT. Myers doing drills to prepare for the instructional league

slider32
4 years 9 months ago

The Sox are not in the same division as the Twins. They don’t have time to grow prospects like the Rays and Twins did. They are already wondering about Ellsbury who was their best prospect and is better than Kalish,Vitek, Brentz, or Fuentes their top prospects in the of. They have to balance free agents and build prospects too win,and get lucky and make the right moves.

dc21892
4 years 9 months ago

I’m not sure the Red Sox would make a serious run at Cliff Lee. If they were to do so and possibly sign him, that’s a TON of money tied up in the rotation alone. They have plenty of money to work with but Lee doesn’t seem viable. As for AGon… I’m not sure paying the price two times (prospects and cash for an extension is the way to go). It’s going to take at least Kelley or Iglesias surrounded by Rizzo/Anderson, Middlebrooks, Weiland. Probably would take more than just them. That’s a scary thought considering you will have to pay him a massive contract also.

YODA777
4 years 9 months ago

I dont think the money is as important to the Red Sox as the access to Agon is. The Red Sox will see a lot of competition for Agon should he reach free agency. Next to Cabrerra [Tigers] and Pujols [Cardinals], Adrian Gonzalez is option 1a. While Fielder is a good first baseman, he is not in Adrians league. You have to realize that Adrian’s offensive numbers suffer greatly playing half his games at Petco. I think Adrian had the best road batting average in the majors last year.

dc21892
4 years 9 months ago

I’m not saying the money is as important to them. The double premium is. It just might be worth it to wait until he hits free agency. Suffer two draft picks and sign him to his big contract. I would love to see him in a Red Sox uniform but giving up blue chip prospects AND money for a guy seems like it’s too much. We’ve backed out before with Roy Halladay and Johan Santana because we didn’t want to pay the double premium. Granted they’re pitchers, it’s still similar. AGon is a top player at his position as they are. What do we value more in baseball? An ace or an everyday player? I’d have to say an ace. They’re few and far between and if we didn’t pull the trigger then I don’t see it happening now.

YODA777
4 years 9 months ago

You make some good points. The Red Sox are one big bat away from really
competing, they are set with pitching. Is there one big bat on the market
this year that would do as much for the Red Sox as Gonz would? The Red Sox
could wait until next year but then they would be competing with the Cubs,
Orioles, Braves, and a few other teams. The Red Sox are very close and to
get back two all-stars for 5 players is not too steep of a price to pay.
Gonzalez is still very young, and while Bell is a little older, he still has
at least 5 good years of baseball left. Bell has been among baseballs
leaders in saves the last two years. The Red Sox farm system is not any
better then the Padres at this point; therefore, it does not benefit the
Padres to receive in return any of the Red Sox prospects, other then
possibly Doubrant [sp]. It makes sense for the Padres to trade Gonz this
winter, if the Red Sox dont want to play ball then they will miss out.

roberty
4 years 9 months ago

I wonder how much Benoit will go for. If he is in the $3-$5 million area I think the Braves could be contenders for his services. Wren said he wants an established bullpen arm to add some stability to the back end of the rotation, and they are saving close to $10 million between Wagner and Saito.

myname_989
4 years 9 months ago

God I hate Ken Rosenthal.

TeamCropDusters
4 years 9 months ago

But he is so tall and masculine….

myname_989
4 years 9 months ago

LOL. He’s like one of the Lollipop Kids.

Jkhan
4 years 9 months ago

I would rather use the 10MM saved from Wags and Saito for a big OF Bat that the Braves desperately need. They have enough pitiching.

roberty
4 years 9 months ago

I would too, but Wren said he wants to sign a free agent reliever. Chances are, there will be no outfielders to acquire within that price range, plus some of that $10 million will go to Moylan, JJ and Prado’s arbitration raises.

Slopeboy
4 years 9 months ago

Why does everyone seem to think that the Phiilies are a forgone conclusion to get to the WS? Granted the have a better all-around team, but SF’s pitching matches up pretty well. In fact you can give a slight edge to their Bullpen. That’s why they play the games.

Backup_Slider
4 years 9 months ago

Probably because they’re the overwhelming favorite to do so. I don’t think anyone thinks it would be impossible for the Giants to win the series, but any rational-thinking person who was forced to bet their life on the series would pick the Phillies (well, at least before last night they would have).